* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OR PEOPLE WERE LOITERING, [00:00:01] UH, TO THE POINT THAT SOME OF THE BULLETS [* This meeting has been joined in progress *] [Work Session on March 26, 2026.] ACTUALLY, UM, UH, PIERCED THROUGH ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS THAT LIVES ACROSS THE STREET FROM HERE WHO ARE ACTUALLY HERE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. UM, BY THE GRACE OF GOD THAT THEY DID NOT HIT, UM, WHO I CALLED MY NEPHEW'S, UH, ROOM, UH, UH, WHERE HE WAS, HE WAS IN THERE AT THE TIME. ALSO, WE HAVE, THERE'S A HISTORY OF TIRE DUMPING IN THAT AREA WHERE WE FOUND OVER 600 TIRES BEING DUMPED OFF OF THE PARKWAY ONTO THAT WOODED AREA OVER THERE. AND JUST MORE RECENTLY, UM, THE, UH, WELL BEFORE THAT, A LOT OF INDIVIDUALS KNOW THAT IS A DARK AREA WHERE THEY GO THERE, UH, LO IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT DURING THE DAYTIME, WHETHER THEY'RE MEETING UP, UM, AS WELL AS OTHER THINGS THAT OCCUR, UH, DURING THAT TIME. BUT MOST RECENTLY, THERE ARE CARS BEING DUMPED AND DROPPED OFF THERE. UM, RECENTLY, I THINK TWO WEEKS AGO, SATURDAY, WE, OUR GREAT POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS CALLED, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD A VAN WITH NO TAGS, UH, REGISTERED THERE THAT WAS DUMPED OFF. UH, THERE, UH, THIS IS A MAJOR ISSUE, UM, NOT JUST FOR THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE OVER THERE FOR, FOR THE TOWN OF CHEV AS A WHOLE, UM, LOOKING TO HAVE A SOLUTION. THIS I BROUGHT UP IN OCCASIONS OF HAVING SOME SORT OF LIGHTING THERE, POLICE LIGHTING RECORDING THERE, TO NOT ONLY BRING METAL LIGHT TO THE AREA, BUT ALSO TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE OF THIS PARTICULAR ACTION. I WANT TO COMMEND CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF FOR THEIR, UM, TAKING THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PATROL THAT AREA, UM, MORE. AND WE CAN, WE THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT AS WE MENTIONED THAT, UH, OUR POLICE, UH, STAFF CANNOT ALWAYS BE THERE AT THAT TIME. SO HENCE THE REASON WHY WE NEED TO INVEST IN CERTAIN, THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC SAFETY OF THE RESIDENTS OF, OF SHELBY, AND PARTICULARLY WARD ONE, ARE SAFE OVER THERE, YIELD BACK. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, MR. GALLOWAY, ANY RESPONSE AT THIS TIME? YES. UM, AND GOOD EVENING AND FIRST AND FOREMOST, UM, PLEASE BEAR WITH US THIS EVENING AS WE, UM, ARE USING OUR BRAND NEW TECHNOLOGY, UM, IN, IN THIS ROOM. SO, UH, PLEASE BEAR WITH US AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS. UM, BUT JUST TO ADDRESS THE FEW MATTERS, UM, I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THE LIGHTING, UH, CONCERN THAT YOU HAVE. COUNCIL MEMBER, WADE, AS IT RELATES TO THE LIGHTING, UH, WE HAVE PUT IN A REQUEST WITH PEPCO AND DO HAVE MEETINGS SCHEDULED SO THAT PEPCO CAN COME OUT AND ADVISE THE TOWN AS TO WHERE A LIGHT CAN BE INSTALLED. AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE THROUGH THE PROCESS OF, UM, INITIATING OF GETTING THE, A LIGHT INSTALLED, UM, AT THEIR RECOMMENDATION. ANOTHER THING I ASKED THE CHIEF TO PULL UP SOME OF THE CRIME STATS AS IT RELATES TO THAT AREA, BECAUSE A LOT OF THE, THE, THE CRIME HAPPENS NOT WITHIN THE CHEV LIMITS, BUT ON THE, ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE CHEV LIMITS. SO IN A MOMENT I'LL HAVE THE CHIEF GO, GO OVER THOSE CRIME STATS, BUT ANOTHER MATTER THAT WE HAVE IS THE GREENLAND OVER THERE WHERE THE TIRES WERE DUMPED, THAT'S NATIONAL PARKLAND. SO WHEN WE GOT THOSE TIRES UP, UH, IT WAS A GREAT COORDINATION EFFORT BETWEEN THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT, THE CONGRESSMAN'S OFFICE, AND NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO ENSURE THAT WE COULD ALL DO THAT COLLECTIVELY. SO, UM, AT ONE POINT THERE WAS DISCUSSION WITH THE POLICE ABOUT HAVING CAMERAS INSTALLED THERE TO PREVENT THAT, BUT ALSO KIND OF GIVE A BIRD'S EYES VIEW OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT WERE HAPPENING. AND THAT GREENLAND, UH, NATIONAL PARK POLICE HAS NEVER FOLLOWED UP WITH ME. WE WILL GO AHEAD AND FOLLOW UP WITH THEM JUST TO TRY TO GET A RESPONSE. UM, BUT I WANT TO NOW KICK IT OVER TO THE CHIEF SO HE CAN PROVIDE JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE CRIME, UH, THAT HAPPENED IN THAT AREA. SO, CHIEF, IF YOU CAN, AGAIN, GOOD EVENING AT MR. GALLOWAY'S REQUEST, IN ORDER TO BE, UH, TO BE, IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE CRIME IN THAT LARGER AREA, THE COUNTY IS DIVIDED, AS WE KNOW, INTO DISTRICTS AND BEATS, AND THEN INTO SMALLER REPORTING AREAS. THE, THE AREA OF CHEVROLET OVER THERE AROUND NEWTON AND 58TH AND 57TH FALLS IN THE COUNTY'S REPORTING AREA. IT'S TWO NUMBER 2 43. THE NUMBER ITSELF DOESN'T MAKE [00:05:01] ANY DIFFERENCE. IT'S JUST FOR STATISTICAL DATA. WE PULLED 12 MONTHS WORTH OF STATISTICS FROM THAT AREA, AND AGAIN, WE'RE ABLE TO PULL NOT ONLY OURS, BUT THE COUNTIES. THERE WERE 297 CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THAT SMALL GEOGRAPHIC AREA IN THE LAST YEAR OF THE 297, ONLY EIGHT WERE IN THE TOWN OF CH. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE PERCEPTION OF THE AMOUNT OF POLICE ACTIVITY IN THAT AREA IS VERY MUCH REAL. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT THE TYPE OF CRIME, AND AGAIN, WE PULLED 12 MONTHS, I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH ALL OF IT. STOLEN VEHICLES, SUSPICIOUS AUTOS, VANDALISMS, FAMILY DISPUTES, CARJACKINGS HIT AND RUNS, RECOVERED, STOLEN, ASSAULT, ASSAULT, DOMESTIC STOLEN VEHICLE, UH, UH, CITIZEN ROBBERY, ARMED ROBBERY. BUT EVERY ONE OF THOSE I JUST NAMED OCCURRED OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN. SO IT'S HANDLED BY THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S IN THAT REPORTING AREA. SO AS IT RELATES TO THE AMOUNT OF POLICE ACTIVITY, VERY MUCH A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. IT'S NOT IT, AND IT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR AS LONG AS I'VE BEEN IN THIS COUNTY BEHIND THE PUBLIC PLAYHOUSE IN THAT GENERAL AREA. SO, TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN IMPACT OUR SMALLER AREA IN CHEVROLET, RIGHT AROUND THE NEWTON AND THE 58TH AND 57TH, WE WANT TO, WE, WHAT WE CAN DO, WE CAN DO THE BEST WE CAN DO TO SAFEGUARD OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I WANNA MANAGE EXPECTATIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE LARGER GEOGRAPHIC AREA. ONCE IT GETS OUTSIDE THE TOWN, IT'S, UH, IT, IT'S JUST, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. AND IF I CAN AS WELL, JUST TO CONTINUE, MR. MAYOR, IF I CAN. YES, GO AHEAD. SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE OVER THE PAST SEVEN YEARS, UM, UH, THE VERY FIRST THING THAT I HEARD WAS WE PROBABLY WERE UNABLE TO APPLY FOR A-C-D-B-G GRANT. UM, JUST BECAUSE THE TOWN I, THERE WERE JUST DIFFERENT PERCEPTIONS, OKAY? SO SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE OVER THE PAST 70 YEARS, WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, BUT ALSO WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE STAFF WE'VE APPLIED FOR AND HAVE SUCCESSFULLY RECEIVED SEVERAL CDBG GRANTS, WHICH IN RETURN WE HAVE, UM, REBUILT ALL THE ROADS THERE, WE'VE REDONE ALL THE SIDEWALKS, A LOT OF THE CURB AND GUTTER, UH, THE, THE, UH, FLOOD OF 2021, UH, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE, THOSE STORM DRAINAGES COMPLETELY GUTTED OUT. NOW WE'RE PARTNERING WITH, UM, 57 0 1. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAPPENED THERE, BUT I DO AGREE THAT NEEDS TO BE MORE LIGHTING IN THAT AREA TO HELP DETER SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE GOING ON THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL WORK WITH, AND I'M SURE THE CHIEF WILL AS WELL, WE'LL WORK WITH NATIONAL PARK JUST TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A RESPONSE FROM THEM, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE NEED SOME TYPE OF VIEW FROM THAT POINT, ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT WE EXPERIENCED TWO YEARS AGO. ALRIGHT. I DON'T, DO YOU WANT TO GO NOW OR YOU WANT TO HEAR? YEAH, JUST FOLLOW UP. GO AHEAD. I THANK, THANK YOU, UH, CHIEF AS WELL AS MR. GALLOWAY FOR, UM, THE, THE DATA AS WELL AS, UM, THE, THE, THE WORK THAT HAS BEEN DONE. AND WE DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT. UM, JUST AS A RESIDENT SPEAKING, UM, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND A BUSY PERSON, MANY TIMES MY, UM, FAMILIES ARE LEFT AT HOME. UM, I DON'T THINK MANY RESIDENTS IN THE MAIN PART OF SHELBY, WHEN YOU WALK IN YOUR DOOR DOOR, AT LEAST FIVE OUT THE SEVEN NIGHTS, WHEN YOU SEE A CAR THAT DOES NOT BELONG THERE AT 12 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, THAT'S ON YOUR STREET. SO YOU ARE NUMBER ONE, AFRAID TO GET OUTTA YOUR CAR AS WELL AS ARE THEY WATCHING MY HOUSE OR MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, OR CAN I ACTUALLY DO MY JOB AS A, LIKE, EVEN TONIGHT GETTING OUT HERE TONIGHT THAT THERE'S ALWAYS ON THAT CORNER CARS THAT ARE SITTING THERE. SO, UM, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF A VIDEO FOOTAGE OF BEING THERE, NOT JUST THE LIGHTS. BECAUSE EVEN WITH THE LIGHTS, EVEN WITH INDIVIDUALS IN THE, IN THE COMMUNITY, OUTSIDE INDIVIDUALS ARE STILL THERE. AND, UM, LOITERING, UM, BECAUSE THEY KNOW THAT'S A PLACE WHERE, WHERE THEY CAN HANG OUT. EVEN WHEN THE VAN WAS, UH, RECOVERED, UM, UH, ONE OF THE SERGEANTS MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IN THE EVENING TIME THEY HAD TO PULL A COUPLE OVER WHO WAS SITTING THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THERE WERE, IT, THEY'RE IN THE MIDST OF ADULT ACTIONS. SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S KNOWN THE FACT THAT THAT IS A SPOT WHERE INDIVIDUALS, SO THE LIGHTING IS ONE ASPECT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE OTHER IS THE VIDEO, UM, ASPECT THAT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO [00:10:01] BE DONE. UM, IF THIS WAS ON OTHER PARTS OF SHELBY, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, AND AGAIN, THIS IS NO JUDGMENT TO ANYONE HERE, BUT THIS IS A CRITICAL ISSUE OF A GUT FEELING THAT I FEEL THAT EVERY TIME I GO AT HOME, I SEE RANDOM CAR SEATING OUT THERE THAT I HAVE TO, WHAT DO I NEED TO DO, UM, TO MORE MAKE SURE THAT MY FAMILY'S BEING PROTECTED. BUT I THANK YOU, BUT I HOPE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD, UH, WITH THE VIDEO ASPECT OF THAT AS WELL, BECAUSE IT'S A HIGH VOLUME AREA. AND TO ANSWER THE CHIEF REGARDING THAT, I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND WE HAVE THE APARTMENTS FOR THE DOWN NEWTON, BUT THE CRIMES HAPPENED THERE. BUT AS WE UNFORTUNATELY SAW A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THAT IS RIGHT A BLOCK AWAY THAT CAN TRICKLE DOWN, UM, INTO THE SHELBY SHELBY SIDE AS WELL DO THAT. THAT'S, IT'S JUST ONE INCIDENT AWAY FROM THAT OCCURRING. SO I YIELD BACK. ALRIGHT, I, I DON'T WANT TO GO ON ANY FURTHER WITHOUT INVITING, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE. IF YOU WOULD LIKE, UH, FEEL FREE TO COME UP AND SIT AT THE TABLE, UH, ALSO ONLINE, UH, RAISE YOUR HAND ONLINE, PLEASE MAKE YOURSELF KNOWN. AND JUST SO THAT I DON'T MISS YOU, UM, PLEASE HAVE A SEAT. WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR COMING. UH, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR NAME, UH, AND YOUR WARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY? SURE. IS YOUR GREEN LIGHT ON? OKAY. MY NAME IS KEISHA WALKER. I'M FROM WARD ONE. UM, AND I JUST WANNA REITERATE WHAT COUNCILMAN WADE HAS SAID. I LIVE AT THE CORNER OF 58TH PLACE AND NEWTON, MY HOUSE IS RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER. AND AS HE INDICATED, UM, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF US BEING THERE, WE'VE BEEN RESIDENTS OF CH MY HUSBAND AND I, MY CHILDREN FOR 12 YEARS. WHEN WE INITIALLY MOVED INTO THE HOUSE, THERE WERE THE THREE ABANDONED HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET. THOSE HAVE SINCE BEEN REMOVED. AND NOW WE HAVE THAT GREEN SPACE. BUT WE ALSO HAD A NEIGHBOR WHO WAS A, WHO WAS A COUNTY SHERIFF AT THE TIME, WHO WAS LIVING NEXT DOOR. HE PARKED HIS VEHICLE. THERE WAS VERY LIMITED ACTIVITY, BUT HE SINCE MOVED. AND OVER THE FOUR YEARS OR SO, FOUR OR FIVE YEARS, THAT'S WHEN WE STARTED TO SEE AN UPTICK IN A LOT OF THIS ACTIVITY THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. UM, OUR HOUSE WAS THE HOUSE THAT HAD THE BULLET SHOT THROUGH. UM, LUCKILY IT WAS MY DAUGHTER'S ROOM. SHE HAD A DOUBLE PANE WINDOW SO IT DIDN'T GET ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO HER DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM HER BED. UM, AND MY SON, IT WOULD ALSO HIT OUR BATHROOM WINDOW. SO THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE LAST FEW YEARS, WE'VE SEEN SEVERAL INCIDENTS LIKE THIS, ABANDONED CARS, THE TIRE INCIDENT, AND OF COURSE WE APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE TO REMEDY THINGS THUS FAR. BUT LIGHTING, YES, CONTINUES TO BE AN ISSUE. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST THE LOITERING OF THE VEHICLES. THE OTHER THING IS, ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE ACTIVITY MAY TAKE PLACE IN THE STREETS THAT GO PAST 57TH, THAT IS A THROUGH FARE. PEOPLE COME OFF OF LANDOVER ROAD, THEY'RE WHIPPING AROUND THAT CORNER BECAUSE THERE'S NO STOP SIGN THERE. IT'S A, IT'S A CURVED STREET. THEY'RE COMING AROUND THAT CORNER AND GOING STRAIGHT THROUGH TO THE OTHER SIDE OF NEWTON. OVER THE TIME, MY SON, HE UM, WALKS HOME FROM THE BUS STOP, THEY GO TO CAPITOL HEIGHTS. MY SON GOES TO CAPITOL HEIGHTS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. THE BUS STOP IS ALL THE WAY AT 55TH STREET BY PUBLIX PLAYHOUSE. WHEN HE IS WALKING BACK, THERE'S NO SIDEWALKS ON THAT PART OF NEWTON. SO AGAIN, CARS ARE COMING THROUGH WITHOUT A REGARD FOR, UM, THE CHILDREN AND THE SAFETY. I WOULD LOVE TO SEE, UM, TRAFFIC CALMING ADDED TO THAT STREET AS WELL AS ANOTHER OPTION. UM, BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANNA REITERATE THAT IT IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, WHO'VE LIVED THERE FOR MANY YEARS, THAT THOSE CONCERNS AREN'T BEING IGNORED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UH, NOT SEEING ANY HANDS ONLINE. WE'LL STAY IN THE ROOM. WELCOME BACK, MA'AM. THANK YOU. NAME YOUR WARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU COUNCIL AND UH, MAYOR. MY NAME IS MINTY WADE AND UH, I'M A RESIDENT OF WARD ONE. I ALSO LIVE ON NEWTON STREET. UM, AS A MOTHER WITH TWO KIDS, UM, I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY TO THE, UM, IMPACT OF HAVING, UM, OUTSIDE TRAFFIC ON NEWTON STREET. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, WHENEVER I COME HOME AT NIGHTTIME BY MYSELF, I MAKE SURE I DO AT LEAST ONE OR TWO LOOPS IF MY HUSBAND'S NOT WITH ME. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ON THE STREET, WHO'S SITTING THERE. SO I'VE LITERALLY TRAINED MYSELF TO DRIVE PAST MY HOUSE JUST AS A PRECAUTION BEFORE GETTING MY KIDS OUT. MY KIDS ALSO KNOW THE RULES WHEN WE GET OUT, IT'S TIME TO GET IN THE HOUSE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN CARS SITTING ON THE STREET REPEATEDLY. I WOULD CALL MY HUSBAND AND SOMETIMES HE WOULD ADVISE ME, EITHER GO TO YOUR SISTER'S HOUSE OR DO A LOOP AROUND AND COME BACK. SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS PERSONALLY IMPACTED ME AND MY FAMILY FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. I CAN ALSO SPEAK TO THE FACT OF THE TRAFFIC. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAVE STREET PARK, [00:15:01] UH, STREET PARKING, SO THE KIDS OFTEN HAVE TO CROSS THE STREET ONCE WE GET OUTTA THE CAR. AND THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE PEOPLE JUST LIKE DRIVE BY AGGRESSIVELY. I'VE HAD TO LITERALLY LIKE YELL AT PEOPLE DRIVING DOWN THE STREET 'CAUSE THEY HAVE NO REGARDS FOR WHO LIVES ON THE STREET OR THE FACT THAT CHILDREN ACTUALLY LIVE ON THAT STREET. SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE COUNCIL LOOKING INTO WHAT OPTIONS BEYOND JUST THE LIGHTING THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE TO MAKE IT SAFER FOR OUR CHILDREN TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO ENJOY, UM, WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT CH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THIS ISSUE ON THE ADVISEMENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE TRIP OUT. ARE THERE ANY OTHER RESIDENT INPUT? IS THERE ANY OTHER RESIDENT INPUT ON THE 58TH PLACE IN NEWTON? CONVERSATION? NAME WARD LELA AZI WARD ONE. UM, THIS IS VERY, A VERY SMALL ACTION, ESPECIALLY CONSIDERING THE BUDGET THAT'S APPLIED TO IT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER WADE, IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY, AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE, IF YOU COULD MAKE, UM, RESIDENTS AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AWARE OF THE, UM, CAMERA REBATE PROGRAM, IT'S A VERY SMALL REBATE. IT'S ONLY $50. SO ONE THING MIGHT BE TO LOOK AT IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF ADDING A FURTHER INCENTIVE CONSIDERING WHAT NEIGHBORS ARE EXPERIENCING. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VIDEO, THE VIDEO AND THE ONE LOCATION, IF THERE'S THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE VIDEO DOOR TO DOOR, IT CAN BE SOMETHING THAT SOMETIMES PREVENTS, BUT ALSO, UM, HELPS TRACK DOWN WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO, UM, JUST ANOTHER TOOL IN THE TOOLBOX. THANK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. UM, YEAH, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE, CONTINUE TO ENCOURAGE, UH, ALL RESIDENTS OF CHEVROLET TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE, UM, LIKE THE RING CAMERA OR THE, UM, THAT TYPE OF HOME CAMERA, UM, UH, REBATE OPTION. UM, ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE THAT ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC? UH, MR. TANZI AND THEN MR. GALLOWAY, YOU GET THE LAST WORD. OH, YOU WANT THE LAST WORD? NO. OKAY. FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR SPEAKING. THAT WAS, UH, VERY USEFUL FOR ME. HAS A A STOP SIGN BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE, SINCE THAT SEEMS LIKE, I MEAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF HAVING TO CROSS THE STREET WHEN SOMEONE'S WHIPPING AROUND THAT, THAT CORNER. OBVIOUSLY STOPPING DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN SEE WHAT'S ON THE RIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, MEANING BEFORE THEY TOUR. AND SO I DUNNO, A STOP SIGN AT THE SOUTHERN END OF 58TH EXACTLY BEFORE WHERE, WHERE BASICALLY IS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ONE-WAY SIGN. NOW THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY KNOW WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER, BUT AT LEAST IT MEANS THEY'RE, THEY'RE SPEEDING UP FROM A STOP RATHER THAN JUST HITTING THE CURVE. SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S BEEN CONSIDERED BEFORE. SO I, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW, UH, WE, WE'LL THROW IT IN THE HOPPER. MR. GALLOWAY, GO AHEAD. AS IT RELATES TO, TO THAT, UM, ONE THING THAT I WAS GOING TO RECOMMEND WAS HAVING A COMMUNITY MEETING, WALKING MEETING WITH, UH, THE COMMUNITY, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, ALONG WITH THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER. UH, BECAUSE I DID HEAR OF TRAFFIC CALMING ALONG THAT AREA. UM, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO, TO HAVE TO CIRCLE THE BLOCK TWICE BEFORE GETTING OUT OF THEIR VEHICLES. UM, AND I DON'T WANT YOU ALL TO FEEL UNSAFE AS YOU'RE GOING OUT AND CARS OR SPEEDING. SO, UM, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH WITH YOU ABOUT, UH, SENDING A TRAFFIC CALMING DEVICE. HOWEVER, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND COORDINATE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER WADE ON SETTING UP SUCH MEETING, UH, SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND ADDRESS THIS. NOW, I, I DO WANT TO, TO SAY THAT IF WE, WELL, WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION LATER ABOUT CAMERAS POTENTIALLY IN THAT AREA, BUT, YOU KNOW, UH, LONG TERM THAT COULD BE A SOLUTION. WE'LL WAIT UNTIL WE GET THERE AND HAVE THE CHIEF RECOMMEND, UM, GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, ADVICE WHILE WE'RE THERE. OVER. GO AHEAD MR. WADE. YEAH, THANK YOU MR. GALL FOR THAT. JUST TO EMPHASIZE THE, UM, JUST ANOTHER TIDBIT, TWO THINGS. THE, BECAUSE 2 0 2 IS SO BACKED UP, IT'S A ONE-WAY STREET INDIVIDUALS EVERY, AT LEAST EVERY SAY 10 CARS THAT GO IN THE ACTUAL OPPOSITE DIRECTION. SO THAT'S ANOTHER ASPECT. AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S A PROCESS WE GO THROUGH WITH THE TRAFFIC CALMING, SO THAT'S DEFINITELY A RESIDENT CAN PUT THAT IN REGARDING THAT. AND JUST IF CHIEF YOU CAN SPEAK TO LIKE THE, THE CAMERAS AND HOW THAT WORKS IN LPR STUFF. ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, I, I THINK IT'S NO SECRET I'VE LONG BEEN AN ADVOCATE OF [00:20:01] CAMERAS IN PUBLIC SPACES. UH, UNDERSTANDING THAT PRIVACY IS ALWAYS A CONCERN. ALSO, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IN A PUBLIC PLACE. UH, THE USE OF LPRS IS THEY, THEY, THEY'RE FORCE MULTIPLIERS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY GENERALLY. UH, YOU CAN'T GO DOWN 2 0 2 WITHOUT HITTING ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE LPRS. AND IN FACT, WE'VE RE THAT'S WHAT WE USE LICENSE PRIMARILY PLATE READERS. LICENSE PLATE READERS, YES. LPR? YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. UH, USING LPRS TO TRACK CARJACKED VEHICLES AND STOLEN VEHICLES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. SO, UH, THEY'RE VERY USEFUL AND THEY'RE ALSO A DETERRENT WHEN FOLKS SEE THEM. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE ON CAMERAS AND, AND HAVING THAT FOOTAGE RETAINED FOR WHAT THE LAW ALLOWS US TO RETAIN IT. LPR DATA WE CAN RETAIN FOR A YEAR. CAMERA FOOTAGE IS USUALLY OVERWRITTEN ABOUT EVERY 15 DAYS OR SO. IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE VOLUME OF THE, OF THE FOOTAGE. BUT I'VE LONG BEEN AN ADVOCATE AND ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO WORK WITH MR. GALLOWAY AND, AND MR. BRAMAN, WE'VE GOT SOME OF THE CAMERAS THAT ARE OVER ON HOSPITAL HILL THAT, UH, WILL BE, I'LL, I'LL SAY FREED UP, BUT I'M NOT, I'M NOT GONNA SPEAK FOR MR. BRAMAN, BUT USING, USING, UH, THOSE CAMERAS TO HELP, UH, DISSUADE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS IMPORTANT. AND EQUALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME AS YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE. IT BREAKS MY HEART WHEN I HEAR PEOPLE THAT FEEL AS THAT, THAT, THAT ARE LIVING IN FEAR. I DON'T KNOW ANY OTHER WAY TO SAY IT. AND, UH, WE ALL, I, I FIRMLY BELIEVE WE ALL HAVE A RIGHT TO BE HAPPY AND TO PURSUE THAT HAPPINESS. AND I'M NOT QUOTING THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. I BELIEVE THAT, BUT YOU CAN'T BE HAPPY IF YOU'RE LIVING IN FEAR EVERY TIME YOU PULL UP IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE. JUST ONE LAST ONE. YEAH, GO AHEAD. AND JUST, UH, JUST TO EMPHASIZE WITH THE CHIEF, I MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY WHEN THAT VAN WAS PICKED UP BY OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, IT DIDN'T HAVE ANY TAGS. NOW A NEIGHBOR, UM, THE GRANTS WHO JUST SPOKE, THEY HAVE A RING CAMERA, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ANGLE, IT'S TO THE SIDE SO THEY CAN, THEY COULDN'T EVEN TRACK DOWN. 'CAUSE BOTH OF US, UH, MR. GRANT AND I SAW THE OF, OF TOW TRUCK DROPPING OFF THE CAR WHEN HE WAS LEAVING FOR WORK EARLY IN THE MORNING. SO BY THAT, THE NEXT DAY IT WAS THE, THE VAN WAS THERE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NO CAMERA THERE, WE COULDN'T EVEN SEE THE TOW TRUCK WHEN IT WAS LEAVING. SO THE, THE TOW BILL, AS WELL AS UNFORTUNATELY WAS THEN PUT ON THE, THE TOWN AS WELL. BUT IF IT WAS A CAMERA THERE, OFFICIAL CAMERA THAT NUMBER ONE, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT AT LEAST WE CAN CATCH THAT, A PARTICULAR ACTION FOR THAT. SO, BUT THANK YOU AGAIN, CHIEF. I YIELD BACK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO THERE, BUT IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. WE ARE GONNA MOVE NOW ON TO THE KELLER UPDATE. UH, WE WILL START WITH MR. FRY AND I'LL JUST NOTE MS. BARNHART'S ALSO ON, UH, BUT AFTER WE HEAR FROM MR. FRY AND WE WILL GO TO MR. BRAMAN AND MR. GALLOWAY, GO AHEAD. ALRIGHT, GOOD EVENING. UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU ALL AN UPDATE, UH, I BELIEVE THE LAST POUR OF THE, UH, CONCRETE REMEDY IN FRONT OF THE BAYS WAS COMPLETED EARLIER TODAY. UH, SO WE HAVE SOME OTHER MINOR CONCRETE ITEMS IN THAT AREA TO TAKE CARE OF, BUT THAT PORT BEING COMPLETED AFTER 14 DAYS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DRIVE ON IT. UM, SO THAT IS A WIND, UH, THAT, THAT'S BEHIND US. UM, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH OTHER MINOR PUNCH LIST ITEMS. WE RECENTLY HAD A CALL THIS WEEK TO COORDINATE THE FINAL ELECTRICAL DESIGN NEEDS FOR ITEMS WITHIN THE GARAGE. WE EXPECT AN ANSWER, UH, LATER THIS WEEK OR SOMETIME NEXT WEEK FROM OUR DESIGN TEAM TO GET THOSE, UH, ITEMS ROLLING AND GET THOSE FINAL PIECES IN PLACE SO THE GARAGE CAN BE, UH, FINALLY UTILIZED. UH, LAST ASPECT, I GUESS, UH, FROM LAST TIME WE GOT TOGETHER, WE TALKED ABOUT THE FIELD, UM, THAT WORK AS I EXPECTED AFTER THE LAST MEETING WOULD BE UNDERWAY BY NOW, IF NOT COMPLETED. UH, WE'VE ACTUALLY RUN INTO SEVERAL DESIGN ISSUES AS WE'VE GOTTEN STARTED OUT THERE WITH THE SUBCONTRACTOR LOOKING AT DIFFERENT GRADES, OPTIONS WITH SOME OF THE SEWER STRUCTURES OUT THERE THAT NEED TO BE REMEDIED. AND, UH, MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUE ARE GONNA BE OUT THERE TOMORROW TO TAKE ONE LAST LOOK AT GRADES, UH, TO COME UP WITH A, A MORE LASTING SOLUTION FOR THAT AREA, UH, WITH THE PONDING THAT'S HAPPENING BACK THERE. SO THAT FIX IS NOT, UH, COMMENCED YET, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IT WILL START NEXT WEEK AND WE'LL KEEP YOUR TEAM POSTED AS WE, UH, LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT, HOPEFULLY LATER TOMORROW. OKAY. UH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, MR. BRAMAN OR MR. GALLOWAY, ANYTHING TO ADD AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE GO TO QUESTIONS? I'LL JUMP IN. HEY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I HEARD CORRECTLY. YOU SAID THAT YOU ALL, UH, DID THE POURING TODAY FOR THE BACK OF THE PUBLIC WORKS. [00:25:01] UH, CORRECT, YES. OKAY. SO, YEAH, UM, MR. BRAMAN BROUGHT THIS UP TO, UM, KELLER'S ATTENTION, I THINK LAST AUGUST. UM, WHY DID WE, WHY DID WE HAVE TO REPORT? UH, SO THE CRACKS THAT WERE, THAT SEEMED TO HAVE FORMED RELATIVELY QUICKLY, UM, IN THAT SLAB. UM, I GUESS MY PREVIOUS, UH, COLLEAGUE THAT WAS HERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR HE INVESTIGATED, BUT WHEN, WHEN MYSELF AND PATRICK WARD, WHO ARE NOW ASSIGNED TO THIS PROJECT STARTED TO DIG INTO THIS, UH, THE ISSUE WITH THE CONCRETE A LITTLE DEEPER, UH, WE FOUND ISSUES WITH THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION, UH, THAT WAS PERFORMED BY THE SUBCONTRACTOR. UM, SO I KNOW THERE WERE OTHER REMEDIES THAT WERE DISCUSSED OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS ABOUT DOING SECTIONS OF THE CONCRETE AND, UH, WOULD'VE REALLY LEFT KIND OF A PATCHWORK PATTERN OUT THERE. UH, THE INVESTIGATION THAT PATRICK AND I CONDUCTED ON THIS CONCRETE FOUND THAT DUE TO, UH, THE ACTS OF THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT ALL OF THAT CONCRETE NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. AND IT, IT WAS UNFORTUNATE IT TOOK PATRICK AND MYSELF TO JUMP IN AND FIND THIS. IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOUND POTENTIALLY SOONER. UM, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY, THAT WE, WE PUT OUR EYES ON IT, WE DID SOME DIGGING, WE FOUND THE ISSUES AND WE DECIDED THAT THAT SUBCONTRACTOR OWED REPLACING THAT ENTIRE AREA BASED ON WHAT WE, WHAT WE FOUND. OKAY. UM, HOPE YOU ALL TALKED TO THAT SUBCONTRACTOR. UM, BUT CAN I CORRECTLY PRESUME THAT YOU, YOU SAID THAT THIS COULD HAVE BEEN FOUND EARLIER, BUT THIS HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN DELAYED SINCE LAST AUGUST, CORRECT? I BELIEVE THAT'S WHEN IT WAS FIRST BROUGHT TO OR MY COUNTERPART'S ATTENTION. YEAH. OR SINCE IT WAS POURED, I I WOULD SAY IT COULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE LONGER CONSIDERING THAT THERE WERE PROBLEMS THERE. CORRECT. I'D SAY WHAT I FOUND, WE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE DAY IT POURED THAT THINGS WERE GOING NOT CORRECTLY. HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S BEEN EXACERBATED BY THE CRACKS THAT FORMED OVER TIME THAT REALLY BROUGHT IT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. THAT THERE IS OBVIOUSLY AN ISSUE HERE. SO AS SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T THERE WHEN IT WAS DONE AND DOING THE DIGGING AND SEEING WHAT THE CRACKING HAD BECOME OVER SUCH A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME, THAT LED ME DOWN THE PATH TO FIND OUT WHAT, WHAT EXACTLY TOOK PLACE THE DAY THEY POURED THE CONCRETE, THEN THE COUPLE OF DAYS FOLLOWING, UM, TO MAKE THE DETERMINATION THAT IT WAS IN FACT THE SUBCONTRACTOR INSTALLATION ISSUE. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY NEXT QUESTIONS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT THE DRAINAGE, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE DRAINAGE. UM, YOU SAID THAT YOU CAME UP WITH THE, WITH WITH THE PLAN TODAY. UM, ARE YOU AWARE THAT WE BROUGHT THIS TO THE ATTENTION OF KELLER AND OTHER PROJECT MANAGERS OVER TWO YEARS AGO? I'M AWARE AND I DON'T HAVE A GOOD EXCUSE FOR WHY IT'S TAKING THIS LONG TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. UM, I WILL SAY FROM THE SOLUTION WE HAD THAT WE PRESENTED LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER, IT INCLUDED SOME HEAVY MODIFICATIONS TO STRUCTURES THAT WERE OUT THERE THAT WE WERE A LITTLE BIT LEERY OF. WE KNOW THAT WERE POSSIBLE TO DO. UM, BUT MY COLLEAGUE PATRICK ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH, WE THINK A SOLUTION THAT'S GONNA BE BETTER THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE AS MUCH WORK TO THAT STRUCTURE AND AS MUCH MODIFICATION AND ALSO WILL MITIGATE SOME OF THE OTHER PONDING ISSUES THAT ARE KIND OF BETWEEN THAT AREA NEAR THE BATHROOMS DOWN TO THE END WHERE THE SALT SHED IS. AND IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE GONNA INVESTIGATE, UH, TOMORROW AND KIND OF PUT THE REST AND HOPEFULLY HAVE A GAME PLAN THAT WE WILL ENACT IN THE COMING WEEK. OKAY. THAT'S FOR A POINT OF, YOU KNOW, INFORMATION. WE HAD SEVERAL COMMUNITY MEETINGS WITH BETWEEN KELLER AND THE TOWN, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT RESIDENTS FROM THE TOWN OF CHEV INDICATED WAS THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE FIELD TO BE DISTURBED, OUR MODIFIED DUE TO THIS PROJECT WITH, AS IT RELATES TO SOME OF THE RECREATIONAL ACTIVITIES. UM, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATED TIME OF COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT BASED OFF OF YOUR PLAN? YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING RIGHT INTO BASEBALL SEASON AND TO OTHER RECREATIONAL SEASONS THAT OUR RECREATION COUNCIL AND BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB WILL HAVE TO UTILIZE THE FIELD AND THAT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME MORE COORDINATION EFFORTS. I REMEMBER GETTING A PHONE CALL FROM COUNCIL MEMBER WADE AND, AND, AND OTHER RESIDENTS LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD BULLDOZERS, UM, UH, UH, YOU, YOU KNOW, UH, DRIVING THROUGH, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BALL FIELDS AND THROUGH, UH, AN AREAS WHERE THERE WERE A LOT OF KIDS. SO, UM, [00:30:01] IS THIS GOING TO TAKE HEAVY MACHINERY AND CAN YOU PROVIDE A TIMEFRAME? UM, I THINK TIMEFRAME WISE, I THINK THE ACTUAL FIX, IF WHAT WE LOOK AT TOMORROW MAKES SENSE. IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE RELATIVELY QUICK. IT SHOULD BE QUICKER THAN WHAT WE INITIALLY THOUGHT WITH THE ADJUSTMENT OF THE STRUCTURE. 'CAUSE WE'RE SIMPLIFYING THAT. UM, I STILL THINK THE ACTUAL WORK CAN TAKE PLACE IN A WEEK, UH, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT LONGER. UM, BUT AGAIN, I, I GOTTA LOOK AT IT WITH, UH, PATRICK TOMORROW. WE GOTTA CONFIRM IT WORKS AND THEN WE GOTTA MAKE SURE THE SUBCONTRACTOR THAT'S GONNA PERFORM THAT WORK IS AVAILABLE TO BE OUT THERE AS SOON AS POSSIBLE NEXT WEEK. SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA PROMISE ANYTHING TONIGHT. I'D LIKE TO RELAY AS MUCH INFORMATION AS I LEARNED TOMORROW TO YOUR TEAM AND, AND SEE IF WE CAN COME UP WITH AN ACTUAL END DATE AS FAR AS MACHINERY, UM, MOVING ALONG THE FIELD, I'M NOT SURE WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR AS FAR AS ACCESSING THAT AREA. UM, OUR GOAL IS TO ACCESS THE AREA THAT WE NEED TO WORK IN. IT'S GONNA BE ON OUR SIDE OF THE LOD ON OUR SIDE OF THE FENCE. WE, WE WILL NOT NEED TO BE ON THE FIELD. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY EQUIPMENT OVER ON THAT SIDE OF THE FIELD AND WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE OUT OF THE WAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, I MET TODAY WITH THE, I'M SORRY, MAYOR. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO, UH, ACKNOWLEDGE THAT VICE MAYOR BRINER JOINED US AT EIGHT 40, MR. GALLOWAY. OH, THANK YOU. OKAY. I, UM, I MET TODAY WITH THE TOWN OF CHEVROLET'S, UH, INTERNAL TEAM AS IT RELATES TO THIS PROJECT AND BUILDING OPENING. SO DO I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY THAT SMALL ITEMS, FOR AN EXAMPLE, UH, THE LIGHTING OF THE LAND NETWORK INSTALLING FANS IN THE EXHAUST SYSTEM FOR THE WASH BAY PRESSURE WASHERS HAVE BEEN HELD, UM, UP FROM, I, YOU KNOW, ALL THAT STUFF HAS BEEN HELD UP AND THAT'S GOING TO PREVENT THE TOWN FROM OBTAINING A PERMANENT UNO. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AND WHAT, AND WHY THAT IS THE CASE? YEAH, I MEAN, ALL THESE LITTLE THINGS HAVE KIND OF, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. SO WE HAD TO GET THE, WHEN WE GOT THE COMMENT FROM THE INSPECTOR ON THE FAN, WE REACTED, WE REVIEWED WHAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. UM, WE, WE MET WITH OUR SUBCONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE WHAT FIN NEEDED TO BE DONE. THEN IT HAD TO BE RE REVIEWED BY THE DESIGN TEAM, AND THEN WE HAD TO GET THEIR QUOTE AND THEN WE HAD TO CUT THEM LOOSE AND THEY HAD TO PROCURE IT. SO IT, IT WAS PAINSTAKING AND IT PROBABLY TOOK LONGER THAN IT NEEDED TO, BUT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD THAT WE REACTED TO BASED ON AN INSPECTOR COMMENT. SOMETHING THAT WE DIDN'T, WEREN'T AWARE OF UNTIL THAT INSPECTION TOOK PLACE. OKAY. SO THIS IS MY LAST, UM, UH, TOPIC AND THAT'S A COMPLETION DATE. I DO KNOW THAT YOUR PREDECESSOR INDICATED THAT WE WOULD BE, OR WOULD'VE BEEN IN HERE FULL COMPLETION BY THANKSGIVING. UM, THANKS. YOU KNOW, I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONE HE WAS REFERRING TO, MAYBE, UM, THE ONE THAT WE'RE GOING TOWARDS. UM, SO MY QUESTION IS, ARE WE STILL ON TARGET WITH MAY 6TH, UM, AS A COMPLETE, UM, MOVE IN OR HAS THAT DATE BEEN DELAYED? UH, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR THAT TONIGHT, UM, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE FEEDBACK YET ON THE ELECTRICAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THE GARAGE EQUIPMENT. THE ANALYSIS IS BEING DONE BY OUR ENGINEERING STAFF THIS WEEK. UM, I'M HOPING THEY HAVE A RESPONSE TO ME TOMORROW, BUT I DON'T KNOW. AND WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT ELECTRICAL CHANGES MAY NEED TO BE TAKE PLACE DUE TO WHERE THE GARAGE EQUIPMENT IS NOW GOING TO BE LOCATED IN ITS PERMANENT LOCATION, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT THE TIMELINE IS TO DO THAT WORK. UM, SO I, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE GONNA BE MUCH PAST THE SIXTH, BUT I, I DON'T WANNA PROMISE A DATE HERE WITHOUT KNOWING MORE INFORMATION. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, AND I KNOW I SAID THAT WAS THE LAST THING, BUT I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE THAT BACK AND MAKE THIS ONE. THE LAST THING I, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR ALL THIS INFORMATION. WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRYING TO, UH, GO THROUGH OUR FISCAL YEAR 2026 AUDIT, UM, ARE SET UP FOR IT AND PREPARE FOR IT. CAN YOU ALL PROVIDE ME, UH, YOUR MOST RECENT CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE SO THAT I HAVE THAT ON FILE? UM, IF YOU COULD PROVIDE IT TO ME BY NOON TOMORROW BEFORE THE MEETING, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. UM, YEAH, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT. PERFECT. THANK YOU. COUNSEL. ANY, OH, MR. BRAMAN, YOU WANNA COME IN? IF I COULD JUST ADD, UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE CONCRETE, UH, WITHIN HOURS [00:35:01] OF THE CONCRETE BEFORE LAST AUGUST, AND LET'S GIVE MR. FRY, UH, HIS, HIS DUE. HE WAS NOT A PART OF THE PROJECT AT THAT TIME. UM, THE CRACKS WERE FORMING AND THE COMPLAINTS WERE BEING MADE. UM, SO, UH, AND THEN ADDITIONALLY TOO, I THINK PART OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, NOT ONLY THE REGULAR CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE, BUT ALSO TO THE INSURANCE THAT COVERS THE, UH, THE, THE BUILDING ITSELF. OKAY. MR. FRY? YES. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU MR. BRAMAN. UH, MS. BARNHART, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO COME IN WITH ON THIS POINT? UH, MS. BARNHART IS OUR INDEPENDENT ENGINEER FROM CPJ MAYOR AT THIS TIME, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD. THANK YOU. COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE? OKAY. UH, I HAVE A COUPLE. SO, UM, OKAY. WELL I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS HERE, RIGHT? THAT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT HAS MOVED IN TO THE OFFICE PART OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND IS ABLE TO UTILIZE IT AND ITS RESTROOMS AND NORMAL, MODERN 21ST CENTURY FEATURES, SOME OF WHICH ARE NOT FOUND IN THE TRAILER. SO THAT'S GOOD. DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE FOR GETTING RID OF THE TRAILER FROM THE SITE? IS THAT A JUNE THING? WELL, I'VE ASKED, UM, MR. PRIDE TO GIVE US A ANOTHER WEEK, 10 DAYS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING WAS GOOD. UM, ONE OF THE GOOD THINGS THIS WEEK IS WE DID GET SOME CELL PHONE BOOSTERS FOR T-MOBILE, UH, INSTALLED INTO THIS BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE ON T-MOBILE. SO NOW I HAVE MORE CONFIDENCE WE'RE GONNA GET THE PHONE CALLS. UM, AND SO I THINK WE'RE GETTING CLOSE TO ASKING THEM TO, UH, REMOVE THAT. AND THEN I WOULD IMAGINE, MR. FRY, YOU CAN TURN THAT AROUND PRETTY QUICKLY, CORRECT? UH, YEAH, IT'S USUALLY PRETTY QUICK. OKAY. UH, WHAT SINCE, UH, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I'M, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT RESIDENT USE OF THE SITE. UH, WHAT IS THE AVAILABILITY OF THE RESTROOMS NOW THAT IT'S 70 DEGREES A LOT OF DAYS TO THE PUBLIC? WELL, WE JUST ORDERED SOME ADDITIONAL PORTA-POTTIES, UH, TODAY, UM, THAT'LL BE DELIVERED TOMORROW. UH, 'CAUSE THE WEATHER IS CHANGING QUICKLY. UM, I BELIEVE MR. FRY HAVE, AND I HAD A CHANCE TO, UH, UH, ADDRESS IT AND MAYBE HE CAN GET IN MORE DETAIL, I THINK IN THE TRANSMISSION THIS AFTERNOON, UM, OF THE POTENTIAL PLAN FOR THE STORM WATER. HE ALSO INDICATED THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A FENCE ARRANGEMENT TO ALLOW ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS, MR. FRY? YES, THAT'S CORRECT. SO, YOU KNOW, IN HOPES THAT THE FIELD MODIFICATION WOULD'VE BEEN COMPLETED BEFORE THIS MEETING, I, I DIDN'T REALLY WANNA MODIFY THE FENCE IF IT WASN'T NECESSARY, BUT AS WE GET CLOSER TO FOLKS USING THE FIELDS, IT'S BECOMING MORE APPARENT THAT'S GONNA HAVE TO TAKE PLACE. UM, SO WE SENT OVER A MARKED UP PLAN THAT, UM, WILL ELIMINATE MU MUCH OF THE SITE FENCING THAT IS AROUND THE SITE CURRENTLY, AND COME UP WITH A PLAN WITH, UM, DIFFERENT VARIATIONS OF TEMPORARY PANELS THAT WILL CLOSE OFF THE AREA WHEN WORK IS BEING DONE DURING THE DAY, AND THEN CLOSING OFF AREAS TO CREATE LIKE A HALLWAY OR A, A CORRIDOR, UH, FROM THE FIELD OVER TO THE BUILDING TO USE THE PUBLIC RESTROOMS. AND IF I MAY, I THINK THERE THEY'RE STILL OUTSTANDING, UM, A HOPEFULLY A SMALL QUESTION WITH RESPECT TO SOME HARDWARE CONCERNS OF THE, OF THE DOORS, UH, FOR, FOR ACCESSING. UM, WELL, WHAT WAS PUT IN, CAN I, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. I, I BELIEVE MR. FRY IS, IS ON TOP OF THAT. IS THERE AN ESTIMATE FOR THAT? YEAH, WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT IT TOMORROW. UH, WE DID HAVE A QUESTION COME UP THAT WE HAD TO RUN BY AN INSPECTOR. I NEED TO FIND OUT IF WE'VE GOT CONFIRMATION ON WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH THE MAG LOCKS THAT ARE PROPOSED FOR THAT AREA. 'CAUSE TECHNICALLY THEY NEED TO BE TIED TO THE FIRE ALARM. UH, BUT WE DIDN'T WANNA INSTIGATE ANOTHER PERMIT, UH, REVISION. UM, I NEED TO FOLLOW UP AND MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN JUST DO AN AS-BUILT AND MAKE THAT GO AWAY. SO IF WE HAVE THAT CONFIRMATION, UM, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT. I ALSO, I'M GONNA BE ON SITE TOMORROW, UM, AND WE CAN LOOK AT IT TOGETHER, MR. RAYMOND, THE OPPORTUNITY TO POTENTIALLY UTILIZE THOSE BATHROOMS EVEN WITHOUT THE MAG LOCK. UM, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK THROUGH WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. UM, BUT I THINK THERE'S A WAY THAT THOSE COULD STILL BE OPEN. UM, THEY WOULD JUST WOULDN'T BE ON A TIMER. WE WOULD JUST HAVE TO COME UP WITH A, UM, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE LOCK THOSE DOWN WHEN, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH THEM FOR THE DAY, FOR INSTANCE. BUT WE CAN KIND OF WALK THROUGH THAT HOPEFULLY TOMORROW WHEN I'M ON SITE. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THE, THE LAST QUESTION, JUST IN CASE ANYONE'S LISTENING, THE CAR CHARGERS ARE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE UNTIL THE BUILDING OPENS, [00:40:01] OPENS. UM, MR. GALLOWAY ASKED MATT EARLIER THIS WEEK AS WELL, UM, AS SOON AS WE CAN START PARKING AND WE JUST HEARD WE CAN'T DRIVE ACROSS, BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE PARKING OUR TRUCKS OUT FRONT. YEAH, WE STILL HAVE, THERE WERE CONCRETE TRUCKS DRIVING THROUGH THERE TODAY. AND, AND, AND, AND ALTHOUGH WE COULD ENFORCE IT, SOMETIMES WE DO FIND SOME AWKWARD PARKING WITH THE CHARGERS, AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID THAT LOG JAM. BUT IF WE CAN OPEN IT BEFORE WE'RE FULLY OPEN HERE, WE WILL. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNSEL, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY, UH, MR. GALLOWAY, MAYBE YOU CAN NEXT WEEK JUST LET US LET THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL KNOW IF THERE'S A SCHEDULE THAT WE CAN ACCESS THE BUILDING. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY ONLY WITH MR. BRAMAN AND THAT'S OKAY, BUT WHATEVER THE ANSWER IS, YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL'S ABILITY TO ACCESS THE BUILDING OVER WHAT I HOPE IS ONLY SIX MORE WEEKS, AGAIN, NOT A TOMORROW THING NEXT WEEK IS FINE. I THINK. GO AHEAD. WELL, TO UPDATE YOU, UM, UH, KELLER ACTUALLY SENT OUT A, UH, A REQUEST, UM, FOR ROBIN, ACTUALLY, BUT WE'RE GONNA WORK, WE'RE GONNA BE WORKING TOGETHER AND THIS IS TO SET UP THE SCHEDULE OF WHOSE ACCESS CARD GOES TO WHERE, UM, AND, AND THE, AND, AND WITH RESPECT TO A BACKUP OF KEYS, I'M, I'M, I'M CONTEMPLATING THAT AS WELL, BUT THE ACCESS CARDS, I WOULD HOPE WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO ISSUE WITHIN WHAT, ONCE WE GET THAT SCHEDULED MR. FRY, WOULD YOU INDICATE WITHIN A COUPLE WEEKS? UH, YEAH, THAT, I THINK THAT'S USUALLY, THAT'S PRETTY QUICK. UH, I HAVEN'T CONSULTED PERSONALLY WITH CATON ON WHAT THEIR TURNAROUND TIME IS. PATRICK WAS RUNNING A POINT ON THAT, BUT WE COULD PROBABLY GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU SOMETIME TOMORROW AFTER, AFTER WE TALK TO MARK. OKAY. SO WE, THAT, THAT IS IN THE HOPPER AS WELL. YEAH, I, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK OUR BIGGEST BARRIER RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE CAN'T GET THROUGH THE GATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A KEY TO THE GATE. AND THAT'S OKAY IF THAT TAKES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S A FEW WEEKS I GET IT, BUT LIKE IF I DRIVE THERE, IF I DRIVE HERE ON A SUNDAY, I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, UH, I CAN SOLVE THAT FOR YOU OFFLINE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT MR. FRY. WE WILL SEE YOU, UH, AGAIN ON THE 23RD, UM, SORRY, ON THE 9TH OF APRIL. UM, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED EFFORTS AND WE WILL STAY TUNED. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FIVE, WHICH IS THE 57 0 1 LANDOVER ROAD. IS THERE, MR. GALLOWAY, A PRESENTATION ON THIS, ON THE SCREEN? NO, THERE ISN'T. UM, WE JUST HAVE PROPOSALS FOR FENCES THAT, UM, WE CAN PROVIDE TO YOU. LET ME SEE IF MR. BRAMAN, OR IF MR. CARDENAS WANTS TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF ANY OF THE QUOTES. SO WE, UH, WE GOT TWO QUOTES FOR FENCING. UH, WE ARE ONE OF THE QUOTES, IT IS, UH, FOUR FEET HIGH CHAINING FANS, UH, WITHOUT A GATE. UM, SO THAT, UH, THE ES THE ESTIMATE IT'S, UH, ABOUT 9 9500, UH, TO GET THE FANS AROUND. AND THEN THE SECOND QUOTE IS, UM, SAVE THEM FOUR OR FIVE FEET, FOUR FEET HIGH CHAINING FENCE, UH, WITH THE GATE THAT IT'S ABOUT $10,000. SO IT IS ONLY, ONLY $500 DIFFERENT. AND AGAIN, I'M SORRY, MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE PROVIDED A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW. THIS IS FOR THE NORTH AND WEST SIDES OF THE SITE. IT IS FOR THE LANDOVER ROAD SIDE AND THE 57TH AVENUE SIDE. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY, IT'S TWO SIDES OF THE BOX. ANY COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS OR, UM, DID I INTERRUPT YOU, SIR? NO, SIR. OKAY, SO GO AHEAD. UH, MR. GALLOWAY, DID, DID YOU HAVE YES. YEAH. SO WE, WE, WE WORKED WITH, UM, TWO PROVIDERS, ONE BEING CH HOME IMPROVEMENT AND THE OTHER BEING SENTINEL FENCE, SENTINEL FENCES, THE ENTITY THAT WE WORK WITH, UM, ON A CONTINUAL BASIS. WE GET FAIR PRICING FROM THEM BECAUSE THEY WORK WITH A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING, WE'RE WRITING SOME TYPE OF CONTRACT WITH THEM, CORRECT? IS IT CORRECT. OKAY. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, UH, MR. CORDES HAS PROVIDED SOME OF THE QUOTES, UM, AS IT RELATES TO 57 0 1. SO, UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE CHEVY HOME IMPROVEMENT, UH, BECAUSE THE QUOTES THAT WERE PROVIDED EARLIER WERE FROM SENTINEL, THEY'RE THE SAME IN COMPARISON. UM, I THINK, UH, ONE QUOTE, UH, TOTALS [00:45:01] $8,950. UM, BUT THIS IS WITHOUT A GATE. UM, AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT IF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH, UM, ANY OF THE QUOTES THAT WE DO HAVE A GATE FOR ACCESS FOR THE, UH, PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND POTENTIALLY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF NEED BE. OKAY. AND, UM, ASSUMING THERE'S A GATE, THE GATE WILL BE IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER WHERE THE CURRENT ENTRANCE OF THE SITE IS? CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT, THAT IS ON 57TH. UH, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED FEET NORTH OF NEWTON STREET ISH. UM, COUNSEL, ANY FEEDBACK MR. WADE? UH, JUST QUESTION THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE GATE, WILL THAT THEN ALLOW FOR, UH, THE GATE TO BE CLOSED AT A CERTAIN TIME AND WHO WILL MANAGE TO OPEN AND CLOSING OF THAT GATE? UM, MR. CARDENAS HAS BEEN THE LEAD ON THIS, BUT AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT IS NOT AN AUTOMATED GATE LIKE, UM, UM, BOYD PARK IS NOW. SO WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT FURTHER. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE HAD GOOD SUCCESS WITH PROGRAMMING STAFF TO OPEN AND CLOSE GATES. AND SO IF WE WANT AN AUTOMATED GATE, THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO FURTHER, I BELIEVE. AND EITHER WAY, IT'S A PEDESTRIAN GATE. YEAH. NOT LIKE A VOID WHERE IT'S A VEHICULAR. GOT GOT, SORRY, DID YOU HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION? NO, NO, NO. OKAY. UH, ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO HAVE ANY INPUT ON THE FENCING OF THE TWO SIDES OF THE 57 0 1 LANDOVER ROAD PROPERTY NAME WARD LEILA ZI, WARD ONE? UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT I HOPE ARE ABLE TO BE ANSWERED, UH, BECAUSE, UM, AM MAYOR, YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED THAT THIS IS A PEDESTRIAN GATE AND NOT A VEHICULAR GATE, BUT THEN I UNDERSTOOD DIFFERENTLY, I THOUGHT, UM, WHEN, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF A GATE FOR VEHICULAR ACCESS. SO IF THERE COULD BE SOME CLARIFICATION AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS IF THAT IS NOT OPENED VERY EARLY, IT UNDOES SOME OF THE BENEFIT OF THAT PARK FOR SOMEBODY TO WALK UP WITH A CUP OF COFFEE, YOU KNOW, AT THE SIX O'CLOCK HOUR IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF RELAXATION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT I'M, I'M, MY GREATER CONCERN IS WE'RE TA IF WE'RE TALKING VEHICULAR, UM, ACCESS SIZE GATE, JUST, UM, WHETHER OR NOT THERE HAS BEEN CONSIDERATION OF HOW THAT WILL SWING SECURE, UM, IF IT'S GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL. AND IF IT HASN'T GOTTEN TO THAT LEVEL JUST TO WORK WITH, UM, CNPP FOR SURE, UM, ON WHAT PLANTINGS THEY HAVE PLANNED FOR THERE, WHAT OTHER THINGS THAT THEY MAY HAVE PLANNED FOR THERE AS FAR AS ACCESSIBLE, UM, UM, WALKWAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT THERE, THAT, THAT IS, UM, THAT THAT'S ALL COORDINATED SO THAT WE DON'T END UP HAVING ONE THING BE IN THE WAY OF THE OTHER. UM, THANK YOU. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK THE GATE, UM, WOULD BE MARKED NO VEHICLES, UH, AND THE ONLY VEHICLES ALLOWED IN THERE WOULD BE TOWN VEHICLES, AND THEY'RE ONLY LIKE TO BACK THE PICKUP TRUCK INTO THERE IN ORDER TO LOAD IT. SO IT'S NOT THAT IT'S BE IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A VEHICLE IN THERE, IT'S JUST THAT NO PRIVATE VEHICLES ARE ALLOWED INSIDE AND THERE'D BE NOWHERE TO PARK. SO IT'S MORE OF A TEMPORARY 10 MINUTE KIND OF PICKUP THING. IS THAT FAIR OF REPRESENTATION? I BELIEVE SO. AND POSSIBLY ALSO TO ALLOW EQUIPMENT TO COME IN TO HELP MAINTAIN THE PARK, BUT, UM, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH CNPP ON THIS, SO WE WOULD CERTAINLY WANNA COORDINATE THAT THEY DON'T PLANT SOMETHING AND ANY, ANY EQUIPMENT OR ANY ACCESS INTERFERES WITH THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I THINK IT'S ALSO A VERY GOOD POINT THAT ANY VEHICULAR OPTION THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE TOWN WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH THE ACCESSIBILITY OF THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS OR THE WHEELCHAIR STROLLER, UM, ASSISTED SCOOTER KIND OF ACCESS. UH, IF SOMEONE WERE UTILIZING THE SIDEWALK ON 57TH, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET IN THERE IN AN ACCESSIBLE WAY. NOW THAT SAID, MOST OF THE PARK IS NOT ACCESSIBLE IN THOSE TERMS, BUT IT HAS BEEN ENVISIONED THAT THE SOUTHERNMOST PORTION OF THE, OF THE PROPERTY IS ACCESSIBLE TO A LARGE DEGREE. DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE? I I WAS JUST GONNA SAY POTENTIALLY FULLY ACCESSIBLE, UH, ACCESSIBILITY AND THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE MAYBE SOMETHING WORKED OUT OVER TIME. [00:50:01] I THINK THE GATE WOULD BE PLACED IN A WAY THAT WOULD BE PLANNED FOR WITH, WITH FUTURE THINGS, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT CONFLICTING, UH, MR. WAYNE. YEAH. THE OTHER, UH, ASPECT IS THERE, THERE, IS THERE ANY PICTURES OR DRAWINGS THAT WE CAN SEE AS WELL THAT Y'ALL CAN PROVIDE WHAT A GATE LOOKS LIKE? YEAH, I THINK WE CAN GET THAT PROVIDED. UM, WE, WE CAN MAKE THE REQUEST FROM THE VENDOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE FENCING? OKAY, MR. GALLOWAY, ALL OF THE OPTIONS ARE, ARE OR ARE NEARLY, ARE UNDER THE PROCUREMENT LIMIT. THE ONE THAT I WAS GONNA RECOMMEND IS OVER THE PROCUREMENT LIMIT. OKAY. SO HOW ABOUT I'LL DO THIS, WE GET A, WE GET A PICTURE OF IT AND THEN I'LL MAKE THE FORMAL RECOMMENDATION AT A TOWN MEETING, UM, OR AND SEND YOU ALL THE PICTURES IN ADVANCE. YEAH, LET'S PUT THOSE IN THE MEETING PACKET AND COUNCIL MEMBER WADE AND I WILL TALK TO CNPP, UH, IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS AND MAKE SURE THEY'RE AWARE THAT IT'S ON THE APRIL NINE TOWN MEETING AGENDA. ALL GOOD. OKAY. I THINK THAT TAKES US TO THE POLICY COMMITTEE UPDATE. THE POLICY COMMITTEE WAS, UM, DID PROVIDE TO ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ALSO TO THE PUBLIC A DRAFT POLICY CONCERNING THE USE OF TOWN RESOURCES FOR COMMUNITY EVENTS BY THE SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN. EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE A COPY OF IT. UH, DOES THE POLICY COMMITTEE WANT TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT? UM, I CAN PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW. UM, IT'S, IT'S IN THE PACKET. UM MM-HMM . THE POLICY COMMITTEE WORKED WITH, UM, THE TOWN LAWYER AND ALSO, UM, CONSULTED WITH THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, UH, TO MAKE SURE WE, UH, WEREN'T MISSING ANYTHING AND CREATED THE POLICY THAT IS IN THE PACKET. UM, AND I GUESS WE'D, UH, BE INTERESTED IN HEARING FEEDBACK. OKAY. COUNSEL, I'M GONNA PROPOSE THAT WE GO THROUGH THE DOCUMENT. UM, WE WILL TALK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, MAYBE THREE OR FOUR SECTIONS AT A TIME, TALK THROUGH THEM AND THEN, UH, PAUSE FOR RESIDENT INPUT AND THEN, UH, CONTINUE ON SO THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING THE RESIDENT INPUT FOR THE END OF THE NINE SECTIONS. IS THERE ANY OBJECTION TO THAT? UH, SORRY, 11 SECTIONS. OKAY. SO THREE SECTIONS AT A TIME? UH, YEAH, THREE OR FOUR. WHATEVER MAKES THE MOST LOGICAL SENSE. GOT IT. UH, OKAY. COUNSEL, ANY CONCERNS YOU HAVE ABOUT THE PREAMBLE AT THE TOP? THE FIRST HALF OF PAGE ONE? HEARING NONE. NO, BUT GO AHEAD. NO, I DON'T. OKAY. HEARING NONE THEN LET'S GO INTO ITEM ONE, GENERAL POLICY. UH, THERE ARE FOUR POINTS HERE. UM, I, FOR ONE WASN'T, DIDN'T THINK WE NEEDED TO LIMIT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS NUMERICALLY TO ONE EVENT PER YEAR. UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK OTHERWISE? I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH ANYTHING IN ONE, UH, FEEDBACK. GO AHEAD. UM, AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. IT SHOULD NOT BE MY OPINION ONE EVENT. UM, I PUT TWO TO THREE, BUT IF IT IS A SITUATION WHERE YOU WANT TO PUT, UM, LIMIT TO ANY EVENTS, UH, PER CALENDAR YEAR, I AGREE WITH THAT. UM, WHAT ELSE WE HAVE HERE? PART BI THINK IT IS, IT SAYS ACTUALLY A, THE ASPECT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS MAY REQUEST LIMITED TOWN SUPPORT, UM, FISCAL YEAR FOR THE TAKE OUT THE PER CALENDAR FISCAL YEAR TO SAY FISCAL YEAR OR IS THAT THE SAME THING OR, UH, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE PER CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY. I MEAN, WE CAN BE WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT SAYS ONE PER CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY. SO, AND THEN AFTER THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY, UH, I'M SORRY, SECTION PART B, IT'S, IT STATES, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TABLES, CHAIRS ONLY TABLES AND CHAIRS IS DOES IT, IT'S TENTS IN THERE AS WELL. I HAVE A EDITED VIEW ON PART B, I MEAN [00:55:01] IT SAYS SIMILAR ITEMS. OKAY. WE MIGHT BE, THAT COULD BE REASONABLY INTERPRETED BY THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO INCLUDE A 10, I THINK. JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S PART OF IT, UM, POSSIBLE WITH THAT. UM, TOWN PART C TOWN STAFF WILL NOT BE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVENT PLANNING PROMOTION. UM, IT'S A CONTRADICTION I THINK IN THE FACT THAT THIS IS TECHNICALLY IN MY, I'M UNDER THE PREMISE THAT WE ARE PART OF THE TOWN. SO PROMOTION FOR THE EVENT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE TOWN VIA THE WEBSITE AS WELL AS THE, THEIR, THE, UH, THE MONTHLY NEWSLETTER AS WELL. AND FOR THE, UM, NEWS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS FOR THAT. UM, ALSO THE ORGANIZING ELECTED OFFICIALS IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL EVENT MANAGEMENT AND CLEANUP. UM, WE DO SEVERAL EVENTS WHERE THE, THE STAFF ASHLEY CLEANS HELP ASSIST IN CLEANING UP WITH THE PARTICULAR EVENTS. UM, SO I DON'T SEE WHY THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM THAT AS FAR AS, UH, SUPPORT BECAUSE AGAIN, WE ARE PART OF THE TOWN AS A WHOLE FOR THAT. THE NEXT SECTION, TOWN RESOURCES MAY NOT BE USED IN WAYS THAT PROMOTE AN ELECTED OFFICIALS CAMPAIGN AND PERSONAL POLITICAL BRAND. I KNOW WE'RE GONNA DISCUSS THAT FURTHER, BUT DEFINE WHAT POLITICAL BRAND IS. THAT'S SUCH A GENERIC WORD IN THAT ASPECT AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I'M GONNA GO TO COUNT TWO. VICE MAYOR BRIER. THANKS MAYOR. UM, THE POLICY COMMITTEE DID DISCUSS WHETHER ONE EVENT PER CALENDAR YEAR WAS APPROPRIATE. UM, IF WE DID THREE EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR, THAT IS 21 EVENTS PER CALENDAR YEAR. AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF, UM, THERE AREN'T THAT MANY WEEKENDS, UH, AVAILABLE THAT DON'T HAVE OTHER EVENTS. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT CAPACITY FOR STAFF. UM, EVEN TWO EVENTS, UH, PER CALENDAR YEAR WOULD BE 14, UH, EVENTS. AND THAT'S A LOT OF EVENTS, UH, FOR STAFF TO SUPPORT. UM, SO THAT WAS WHY, UH, ONE EVENT WAS WHAT WE PUT IN THE POLICY. UM, I ALSO, I I THINK THIS WILL BE SORT OF A RUNNING THREAD THROUGHOUT THIS DISCUSSION. UM, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE THINKING ABOUT STAFF CAPACITY, MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE PRIORITIZING TOWN EVENTS, UM, AND OTHER THINGS THAT THEY ALREADY HAVE ON THE CALENDAR. UM, AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT IS A TOWN EVENT AND WHAT IS A COUNCIL MEMBER ORGANIZED EVENT. UM, SO FOR EXAMPLE, IN PART ONE, LETTER C, UH, THE PROMOTION THERE MEANS THAT THE TOWN STAFF IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT. MEANING THAT THEY DO NOT PRODUCE FLYERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE IS A SECTION LATER ON THAT TALKS ABOUT THE GUIDELINES FOR STAFF SHARING THINGS LIKE FLYERS, BUT WE WOULDN'T EXPECT THEM TO PRODUCE IT BECAUSE IT'S NOT A TOWN EVENT. UM, AND I FEEL LIKE CLEANUP IS SIMILAR TO THAT, THAT IF IT'S A, AN EVENT THAT IS RUN BY AN ORGANIZED BY A COUNCIL MEMBER AND TOWN STAFF IS SUPPORTING IT, UH, THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM A TOWN EVENT THAT IS RUN BY THE TOWN THAT IS ORGANIZED BY THE TOWN, UM, AND THAT THEY ARE PUTTING ON. OKAY. COUNSEL, UM, KEEP IN MIND IT'S GOT 11 SECTIONS. ANY OTHER MR. GALLOWAY, DID YOU HAVE A STAFF PERSPECTIVE? I JUST GOT A BRIEF UPDATE ON A MATTER THAT COULD HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THIS, THIS AS IT RELATES TO WHAT A TOWN EVENT IS AND WHAT A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT IS. SO FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LEGIT TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT LIABILITY OR COVERAGE FOR SUCH EVENT. MM-HMM . THE ONLY WAY LEGIT WILL COVER SUCH FUNCTION IS IF IT IS AS IF IT IS AN OFFICIAL, UM, TOWN EVENT, A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT WOULD BE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN THAT OF A OFFICIAL TOWN EVENT. SO IN THE EVENT THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO OR WANTS TO DO THIS TYPE OF EVENT, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET THE LIABILITY COVERAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR SPECIAL EVENTS. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT, AT THIS IN TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS IS THIS AN OFFICIAL, UH, TOWN EVENT OR IS [01:00:01] THIS IN COLLABORATION WITH THE TOWN? BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME, SOME EVENTS THAT WE COLLABORATE WITH. JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, CACO AND JUNETEENTH, THAT'S AN OFFICIAL TOWN EVENT. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT A COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE TOWN, UH, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME CLARITY ON THAT OVER. YEAH, I THINK I WOULD PREFER EVEN IF WE'RE LIMITED TO ONE EVENT, WHATEVER THE LIMIT, LIKE HOWEVER FAR WE CONSTRICT OURSELVES, I THINK IF WE DO AN EVENT, IT SHOULD BE AN OFFICIAL EVENT AND I THINK IT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL EVENT BECAUSE THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR SIGNED OFF ON IT. IF THAT MEANS WE CAN'T SPEND VERY MUCH MONEY, IF THAT MEANS WE DO ONE A YEAR, LIKE I THINK WE SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE TOWN'S INSURANCE AND IT SHOULD BE OFFICIAL AND YOU, THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR SHOULD BE OFFICIALIZED IZING IT BY SIGNING OFF ON IT. UM, MR. WADE? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU TWO EXHIBITS OF INDIVIDUALS. AGAIN, JUST TO BE CLARIFY MY CLARIFICATION. AND WE ARE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN. IF WE GO OUT AND MAKE A STATEMENT THAT CAN BE DEROGATORY, UM, TOWARDS THE TOWN, THE TOWN CAN'T GET SUED. WE ARE A PART OF THE TOWN. THERE'S NO IF, ANDS, OR BUTS ABOUT IT. UM, WE ARE NOT AN ORGANIZATION, AN ORGANIZATION'S PARTNERSHIP, BUT I WILL GIVE TWO EXHIBITS OF TWO PEOPLE ACTUALLY SUPPORT. WE JUST DID A HUGE, AND I'M GLAD WE DID THIS, BUT WE JUST DID A HUGE EXPUNGEMENT FAIR WITH THE ELECTED OFFICIAL, UH, STATE ATTORNEY WHO'S DOING AN AMAZING JOB. AND IT WAS IN THE TOWN WHO'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE, WHO'S RUNNING FOR OFFICE WITH THE ELECTION COMING UP IN A COUPLE MONTHS. THE TOWN SUPPORTED IT, THEY FUNDED IT, IT WAS DONE OUTSIDE THE HOURS. UNFORTUNATELY I WAS NOT THERE. BUT TALKING WITH MR. GALLOWAY, THE MAYOR, I BELIEVE WAS THERE AS WELL. THAT OKAY, BUT WELL ATTENDED GREAT EVENT. THIS IS A PERSON THAT IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE TOWN OF SHELBY, NOT EVEN A RESIDENT. AND WE SUPPORTED THEIR EVENT AND THEY'RE A POLITICAL PERSON. SO THIS CONVERSATION ON WHETHER IT IS A COUNCIL MEMBERS EVENT OR IS AN OFFICIAL TOWN EVENT, IT'S A CONTRADICTORY TO THE FACT OF MATTER THAT WE CAN SUPPORT INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ELECTED THAT ARE, DO NOT RESIDE IN SHELBYVILLE, BUT WE CAN'T SUPPORT OUR US AS MAYOR AND COUNCIL DOING OUR JOB OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE, ANOTHER PERSON I SUPPORT, OUR BELOVED, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER AT LARGE, JOLENE IVY, HAVE AN EVENT HERE, PHOTOGRAPHY EVENT PROFESSIONAL FOR THE, FOR INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE IMPACTED BY THE, UM, THE SHUTDOWN. WE PROVIDED HER WITH FULL ACCESS. DID MR. GALLOWAY DID, DID WE, DID SHE HAVE TO PAY FOR ANYTHING REGARDING THAT OR HER STAFF OR ANYONE? I DON'T RECALL, BUT I WOULDN'T DISCLOSE THAT IN IN, OKAY, THAT'S FINE. BUT AGAIN, THIS SHOWS A PARTNERSHIP WITH A COUNTY OFFICIAL, AND WE HAVE DONE SEVERAL OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF CHEV. THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL ENGAGEMENT, THAT'S WHAT YOU CALL PARTNERSHIPS. SO THE DISCUSSION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE A, WE ARE DOING IT ON OUR OS ON ON OUR OWN AS A COUNCIL MEMBER OF VERSUS A TOWN EVENT. WE ARE A EXTENSION OF THE TOWN. WE ARE IN MANY WAYS THE REPRESENTATION OF THE TOWN. SO THIS WOULD, I WOULD SEE THIS DEEMED THIS AS BEING A TOWN EVENT. WE HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THIS. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS WOULD BE DIFFERENT FROM ANYTHING ELSE. A YIELD BACK. ALL RIGHT. I WANNA SUGGEST, I KNOW WE DID, WE HAVEN'T RESOLVED A LOT, BUT I WANNA SUGGEST THAT IF WE MOVE ON TO SECTION TWO, WE'LL AT LEAST QUICKLY, LIKE, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT. LIKE WHAT, WHAT POINTS OF DISAGREEMENT ARE STILL OUT THERE. SO MOVING ON TO SEC TO THE SECOND PAGE. MINE SAYS, I MEAN, YES. SO PART TWO LIMITS ON TOWN SUPPORT. UM, I'M SORRY, MAYOR, JUST YES. SO ARE WE GONNA DISCUSS, I THINK WE CAN'T HAVE A CONVERSATION GOING FORWARD UNLESS THERE'S AGREEMENT THAT, ARE WE A PART IS, IS THIS GONNA BE PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN EVENT OR THIS IS A COUNCIL EVENT AND THE SECTION TWO ALSO MEN MENTIONS THE FACT OF THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. ARE WE, YEAH. CAN WE AGREE TO BOTH OF THOSE PREMISES GOING FORWARD? IF NOT, THEN WE'D STILL BE STUCK IN THE SAME SITUATION, THE SAME QUESTIONS BEING ADDED. UM, I WOULD, I CERTAINLY, I MEAN, WE COULD TAKE A STRAW POLL ON THIS QUESTION. I THINK, UH, WE CAN THINK ABOUT THE ONE VERSUS TWO. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH SUPPORT FOR THREE. UM, THAT'S AN EASIER QUESTION. I, I WOULD CERTAINLY ON THE OTHER QUESTION, SUPPORT THESE EVENTS, WHATEVER THEY END UP BEING AND WHATEVER THE SCOPE AND SUPPORT AND MONEY INVOLVED BE, UM, [01:05:01] OFFICIAL EVENTS, UH, OF THE TOWN. BUT, SO I MEAN, THERE'S TWO THUMBS FOR THAT. GO AHEAD. DOES ANYBODY ELSE WANNA WEIGH IN ON THE ISSUE OR COME BACK TO IT? IT'S YOUR CALL. SO S PART TWO I THINK ACTUALLY ILLUMINATES SOME OF THIS SINCE IT, UH, LISTS, UH, BOTH WHAT TOWN SUPPORT MAY INCLUDE AND WHAT IT MAY NOT INCLUDE. UH, A KEY ONE BEING STAFF OVERTIME. MM-HMM . SO IT SAYS SUPPORT PROVIDED MUST FALL WITHIN NORMAL STAFF DUTY HOURS. AND I WROTE A NOTE, IT'S LIKE, WELL, IF IT'S A WEEKEND EVENT, DOES THAT MEAN THEY SET UP ON FRIDAY AND THEY, THEY LEAVE IT OUT THERE UNTIL MONDAY? LIKE A BLOCK PARTY, RIGHT? AND SO THAT COULD BE A, AN ISSUE IF THERE'S WIND OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND YOU HAVE TOWN TENTS FLYING AROUND. UM, SO I THINK, I THINK I VERY MUCH APPRECIATE WHAT SECTION TWO IS TRYING TO DO, BUT I THINK THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT SPEAKS TO COUNCIL MEMBER WADE'S POINT THAT THAT IS CREATING A VERY DISTINCT, UM, SUBGROUP OF EVENT. 'CAUSE THE TWO HE LISTED BOTH HAPPENED IN, IN THE GYM. UM, I DO THINK THOSE WERE, HAD A CLEAR PURPOSE, RIGHT? ONE WAS A, A PUBLIC SERVICE PURPOSE. YEAH. A PUBLIC SERVICE PURPOSE, RIGHT? WHICH NECESSITATED THAT, UM, THAT LOCATION. UH, SO I'M NOT SURE THAT I HAVE LANGUAGE TO SAY WHAT, WHERE THE LINE WOULD BE MM-HMM . FOR WHEN, WHEN THAT IS A, A PUBLIC SERVICE, UH, WHICH THOSE CLEARLY WERE AND WHEN IT'S ENGAGEMENT. UM, BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO ASK THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT OPENS UP A A A CAN OF WORMS. AND ONE OF THOSE IS BUDGET THAT ONCE IT'S YEAH, THE WEEKEND, IT'S NOW A VERY DIFFERENT NUMBER. AND, UM, YEAH. YOU KNOW, HERE IN, IN TWO SUB PART, A FIRST SECOND CLAUSE UNDER THAT MAY NOT EXCEED 500 PER CALENDAR YEAR. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT A WEEKEND, UM, EVENT COSTS, BUT I IMAGINE THAT GETS USED UP PRETTY FAST. UM, I'LL ALSO NOTE THAT WE SAID FISCAL YEAR ON THE FIRST YEAH. PART IN CALENDAR YEAR ON THE SECOND PART. YEAH, I WOULD SAY, I'LL JUST THROW IN MY 2 CENTS ON THIS. I THINK WE SHOULD PICK A DOLLAR FIGURE. UM, AND THEN WHEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL FILLS OUT THE FORM OR EMAILS THE 10 ADMINISTRATOR THAT THEY WANT TO DO X, HE COSTS IT OUT, HE SENDS THEM A COST ESTIMATE AND THEY EITHER SAY, NO THANK YOU, OR THEY SAY, THAT'S MY 500, UH, OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER IS, OR IF IT'S GONNA BE SEVEN 50, THEN THEY, HE THEN THE DECISION IS I'M NOT DOING THE EVENT OR I'M GONNA WRITE THE TOWN A CHECK FOR TWO 50 MM-HMM . UM, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A BURDEN TO PUT ON THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO COST OUT THE PROPOSALS, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S 12 OF THESE A WEEK EITHER. UM, VICE MAYOR, YOUR HAND IS UP. UM, TWO THINGS, MR. G CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THE TOWN IS STAFFED ON THE WEEKENDS. IT'S JUST NOT STAFFED AT THE SAME LEVEL THAT IT'S STAFFED DURING THE WEEK. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS STAFFING, BUT IF MORE IS REQUIRED THAN WHAT WOULD NORMALLY WHO WOULD NORMALLY BE ON DUTY, THEN THAT IS, THAT IS WHERE THE OVERTIME AND THE ADDITIONAL STAFFING IS. UM, STAFF. THE SECOND THING IS, I JUST WANNA CLARIFY. UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COUNTY OR STATE ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE DON'T HAVE ANY JURISDICTION OVER THEM. THEY ARE, UH, SORT OF BOUND BY THE RULES OF THEIR LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT. SO THE COUNTY HAS RULES, THE STATE HAS RULES. UM, SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, NO EVENTS BEFORE A CERTAIN OF ELECTION DAY, WE CAN SAY THAT FOR OUR COUNCIL. WE CAN'T PUT THAT ALSO ON SORT OF ELECTED OFFICIALS IN OTHER LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT. AND I THINK WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXPUNGEMENT FAIR OR UM, THE PHOTOGRAPHY THING, THAT FEELS LIKE A HUGE BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AND TO THE RESIDENTS. AND WE ARE PARTNERING WITH THAT OFFICE, NOT SPECIFICALLY THAT PERSON. HOW THAT GETS PROMOTED, UM, IS A WHOLE OTHER THING. AND I AGREE THAT IF WE WERE TO USE THESE RULES FOR THOSE EVENTS, THAT MIGHT DIFFERENT. BUT, UM, THIS, I MEAN, THIS POLICY IS INTENDED TO SORT OF, UM, APPLY TO THE TOWN, APPLY TO THE TOWN'S ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND, UH, SORT OF MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT MISUSING [01:10:01] THE TOWN'S TAX MONEY. YEAH, I WOULD, I WOULD SAY YEAH, POINT'S WELL TAKEN. UM, WE CAN'T MANDATE A COOLING OFF PERIOD FOR, FOR THOSE FOLKS. I THINK, UM, I LOVE THAT WE DO THOSE PARTNERSHIPS. UM, SO I THINK CHRIS SAID THAT, BUT I, I WANNA UNDERSCORE THAT, UM, THOSE ARE BOTH GREAT EVENTS. THEY'RE BOTH GREAT PARTNERSHIPS TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, WE ARE PUTTING IN A LITTLE BIT OF COST TO THOSE AND GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF BENEFIT FOR OUR 6,000 RESIDENTS, OTHERS OUTSIDE THE TOWN BENEFIT TOO. GREAT. YOU KNOW, MY FOCUS IS ON THE 6,000. I THINK WE PUT IN A LITTLE BIT OF COST TO THE EXPUNGEMENT FAIR. FOR EXAMPLE, OUR 6,000 RESIDENTS BENEFIT A LOT. THAT'S, THAT'S JUST SMART. I DON'T WANT TO, AND I'M NOT ACUTE SAYING YOU WERE SAYING THIS, I DON'T, I ALSO THINK THAT AN EVENT HELD AND AND ORGANIZED BY COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI CAN BE JUST AS BENEFICIAL TO THE CH COMMUNITY AS AN EVENT ORGANIZED BY A STATE SENATOR OR A, OR A, OR A COUNTY COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, YEAH. TOTALLY AGREE. I, IF, IF I WAS, IT SOUNDED LIKE I WAS SAYING THAT IT WASN'T INTENDED. UM, DID YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP ON SECTION TWO, MR. WADE? JUST A COMMENT REGARDING, UH, VICE, VICE MAYOR. THE FACT IS THAT IF WE HAVE A CERTAIN VALUE THAT WE'RE GOING TO INPUT IN CH I USE, I USE THE TERMS OF IF YOU HAVE RULES IN YOUR OWN HOME, BUT THEN WE ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE TO COME IN OUR HOME AND THEY DON'T FOLLOW THEIR ROOMS, THOSE, THOSE PARTICULAR RULES AS WELL. I WOULD THINK FROM A VALUE SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE YOU'RE CONTRADICTING. SO IF WE'RE SAYING THAT IF 90 DAYS BEFORE ELECTION, OUR OWN PERSONAL PEOPLE THAT CAN TOUCH THE RESIDENTS OF SHELBY MORE THAN ANY OTHER OUTSIDE RESIDENT, THEY'RE THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEN WHY WOULD WE ALLOW SOMEONE ELSE OUTSIDE OF THAT TO NOT FOLLOW THE RULES AND MORALE OR THE VALUE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE AS A WHOLE. SO I JUST WANNA PUT THAT OUT THERE IN THAT ASPECT AS WELL. YEAH. THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE AN ELEMENT FOR A FUTURE REVISION TO THE BUILDING USE OR POLICY, RIGHT? IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LI LIMITING OR JUST CLARIFYING WHEN WE CAN PARTNER WITH FOLKS WHO ARE ALSO ELECTED TO PUBLIC OFFICE, UM, THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THIS. IT FEELS LIKE A BUILDING USE OR A RESOURCE USE, UH, DOCUMENT. BUT, UM, COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE LINE BETWEEN LIKE WHAT IS A PUBLIC, I DON'T, I GUESS PUBLIC SERVICE, BUT LIKE A THING BEING PROVIDED RIGHT? VERSUS SOMETHING THAT'S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. LIKE, AND WHAT THAT LINE IS, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS AND HOW YOU LIKE FULLY DRAW IT, BUT LIKE EXPUNGEMENT FAIR, UM, WHICH I WASN'T ABLE TO GO TO, BUT I, I'VE BEEN TO THE FIRST ONE THAT WE DID WAY BACK WHEN. UM, AND THAT WAS WITH THEN STATE'S ATTOR OR STATE'S ATTORNEY, UM, BRAVE BOY, UM, AND WITH CHIEF TOWERS AT THE TIME. AND THAT WAS A GREAT SUCCESS AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UM, I THINK REALLY HELPED THE COMMUNITY AT THE TIME. AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE DID ONE AFTER THAT. NO. RIGHT. SO WE HAD THAT ONE, BUT I THINK BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH A HIT, RIGHT? AND THE SAME THING IS LIKE WHEN A SERVICE IS BEING OFFERED THAT PROVIDES SOMETHING TO OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IF IT CAN BE FREE, UM, THAT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL. AND IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT'S SOMEHOW BETTER THAN A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, BUT I THINK IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA MAKE THAT DELINEATION, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WHEN WE DO CERTAIN THINGS. BECAUSE THE SAME THING WITH, UM, THE, THE BLOOD RED CROSS. AND I THINK THAT INITIALLY STARTED WITH COUNCIL MEMBER IVY, AND THAT WAS BEFORE I GOT TO HER OFFICE. BUT, UM, A PARTNERSHIP AND THEN THAT'S JUST KIND OF CONTINUED ON BECAUSE THE RELATIONSHIPS THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE CAN BRING THOSE ADDITIONAL RESOURCES TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THEN HELP US ESTABLISH THOSE RELATIONSHIPS TO THEN CONTINUE ON AND BE ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE RED CROSS THING, WHICH I THINK WE DO ALMOST QUARTERLY NOW. UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I DON'T, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA PUT THAT IN HERE, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I THINK WE, WE LOVE A LOT OF THOSE EVENTS. UM, THE BLOOD DRIVE IS FANTASTIC. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE USING OUR TOWN HALL FOR. IT IS NOT ZERO COST TO THE TOWN. UM, AND SO WE JUST, THERE'S A COST BENEFIT TO EVERYTHING. THERE'S, THERE'S NOT ZERO COST, UH, TO ANYTHING WE DO. AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE SAYING THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT, BUT IT'S, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, WE COULD SIT DOWN AND QUANTIFY THE COST OF, OF THE BLOOD DRIVE AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, AND THEN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER WE WANNA HAVE BLOOD DRIVES. BUT THEY DO ALL COST MONEY. EVERYTHING WE DO COSTS TIME, UH, STAFF TIME. AND THAT IS MONEY VICE MAYOR, DO YOU WANNA COME IN BEFORE WE GO TO SECTION THREE? YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I THINK, [01:15:01] UM, ALL, ALL THESE CONVERSATIONS OR CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD AS WE WERE DEVELOPING THIS DRAFT, UM, AND THAT WE HAD WITH THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY, AND I THINK IT GETS TO THE THING THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, WHICH IS WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF, OF A TOWN EVENT? WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT? WHAT CONSTITUTES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT? WHAT CONSTITUTES LIKE A PUBLIC GOOD? UM, AND LIKE, I'M GONNA TRY TO ARTICULATE THIS AND I HOPE I AM ABLE TO DO IT. UM, I'M A COUNCIL MEMBER. I HAVE AN IDEA FOR AN EVENT. IT'S LOW LIFT, IT'S NOT GONNA REQUIRE THE TOWN'S SUPPORT, IT'S NOT GONNA COST ANY MONEY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S SIMILAR TO A BLOCK PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I GO AHEAD AND ORGANIZE THAT AS WARD THREE EVENT OR AS A COUNCIL MEMBER BRIER EVENT. UM, GREAT. I HAVE AN IDEA FOR A BIGGER EVENT. IT INVOLVES MORE OF THE TOWN. IT REQUIRES TOWN SUPPORT. UM, THERE'S NO WAY THAT I COULD DO IT WITHOUT TOWN SUPPORT TO MY MIND. I BRING THAT TO THE COUNCIL AND I SAY, I HAVE THIS GREAT IDEA FOR AN EVENT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A TOWN EVENT. AND WE DISCUSS IT AND WE SAY, YEAH, THIS SHOULD BE A TOWN EVENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND HAVE THE TOWN ORGANIZE IT. UM, AND THEN WE HAVE A TOWN EVENT. UM, AND IT'S THIS SORT OF MIDDLE GROUND OF A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT, BUT REQUIRES TOWN SUPPORT THAT I'M A LITTLE FUZZY ON BECAUSE IF I WANNA DO A BIG EVENT THAT REQUIRES TOWN SUPPORT, BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO BE A TOWN EVENT, I WANT IT TO BE A COUNCIL MEMBER BRIER EVENT. I'M NOT SURE. I'M NOT SURE WHERE THOSE LINES ARE. UM, AND SO THAT'S, THAT'S I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS I'M STRUGGLING WITH IN TRYING TO DEFINE THIS POLICY IS WHAT ARE THE LINES BETWEEN TOWN EVENT COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT THAT REQUIRES TOWN SUPPORT COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE TOWN SUPPORT? YEAH, I THINK SO. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CAMPAIGN EVENTS. UM, THAT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT THING. UM, RIGHT. SO I THINK, UH, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT A COUNCIL MEMBER BRINER EVENT IS VERSUS WARD THREE EVENT. I DON'T EITHER. OKAY. UM, NO, I THINK THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S TWO KINDS OF EVENTS. ONE THAT THE TOWN DOES AS A WHOLE, THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR SCHEDULES, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A TOWN THING DOING THE THING. SOMETIMES WE ONLY FIND OUT ABOUT THEM AS THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME, THREE WEEKS AHEAD OF TIME, WHATEVER. UM, THE EXPUNGEMENT FAIR, THAT'S PROBABLY WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. GREAT. NOT A PROBLEM. UH, I HAVE NO ROLE IN THAT. NO, I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE SEVEN OF US HAVE A ROLE IN THAT. TOTALLY FINE. GREAT EVENT. UM, NO CONCERNS. I THINK THERE'S ONLY TWO KINDS OF EVENTS THAT ONE, AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER OR THE, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL GENERATED EVENT, UM, WHICH IS NOT A CAMPAIGN EVENT, IT'S NOT A FUNDRAISER, IT'S NOT ALL THE THINGS THAT SOUND REALLY BAD. UM, IT IS A COUNCIL MEMBER GENERATED ELECTED, OFFICIAL GENERATED EVENT, UM, THAT THE COUNCIL MEMBER, THE ELECTED OFFICIAL APPLIES TO THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO GET, UM, CERTIFIED OR APPROVED BASED ON THE COST ESTIMATE FROM THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR. UM, AND THEN SUBJECT TO ALL THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE LISTED ON THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR GIVES TO THE ELECTED OFFICIAL TO REMIND THEM OF THE EXPECTATION. DID I, IS, I MEAN, IS THAT, WAS THERE A THIRD KIND OF EVENT? I DON'T THINK SO. RIGHT. WELL, I THINK, I THINK MY QUESTION IS JUST, THERE'S, OF COURSE YOU CAN, THIS IS A LOT OF RIGHT THERE. THIS IS A LOT OF SORT OF, UM, NEEDING TO SORT OF CREATE ALL THESE PARAMETERS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE TOWN DO ALL OF THESE THINGS FOR THE SPECIAL EVENT. AND MY QUESTION IS, COULD WE NOT JUST SAY IF IT'S BIG ENOUGH THAT IT REQUIRES TOWN SUPPORT, IF IT'S A TOWN EVENT, AND IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT IS THEN GO FORWARD. UNLESS IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT IT. THAT THAT IS A, THAT IS A, THAT'S ALWAYS A POSSIBILITY FOR ANY OF US. I THINK MAYBE THE HANGING CHAD THERE IS WHETHER THE ELECTED OFFICIAL NEEDS TO COME BACK AND GET THREE OTHER VOTES FOR THEIR EVENT ON THE COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT I HEARD AS THE, UH, DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THE IDEAS. AND I'M OPEN TO IDEAS, RIGHT, BECAUSE WHAT I THINK THERE WAS, THERE'S, THERE'S THE MODEL WHERE THE COUNCIL MEMBER, LET'S USE DAVID AS AN EXAMPLE. HE HAS [01:20:01] AN IDEA. HE PUTS IT DOWN ON PAPER, HE GIVES IT TO DELAINE, IT BECOMES AN OFFICIAL EVENT. HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY BUY-IN FROM THE OTHER SIX OF US. COUNCIL MEMBER BRINER WAS SAYING, IF IT'S GONNA BE TOWN SUPPORTED, WHY DON'T YOU COME TO THE COUNCIL AND GET THREE OTHER THUMBS UP FOR DAVID'S IDEA? WHY DOESN'T DAVID DO THAT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S AN THEY'RE BOTH OKAY. IDEAS, BUT YOU SEE HOW THEY'RE DIFFERENT IDEAS. ONE HAS THE BUY-IN OF FOUR ELECTED OFFICIALS. ONE SIMPLY HAD ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL SELLING OR CONVINCING THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO SUPPORT THEIR IDEA AFTER HE COSTED IT OUT. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, YOU HAVE YOUR HAND UP. OKAY. UM, OKAY. REALLY WANNA GO TO SECTION THREE? WE WE'RE STILL NOT ON TWO. WE START WITH, WE'RE A STILL, WE DIDN'T GO THROUGH THE REST OF IT, BUT, UM, THE MAIN THING IS THAT WHAT, WHAT THE BEAUTY OF SHELBY, WHICH WE HAVE SIX COUNCILMEN AND THE MAYOR, IS THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE BRING DIFFERENT SKILL SETS. AS YOU MENTIONED, MAYOR, WE DO, WE DID THE EXPUNGEMENT. NONE OF US HAD ANY INPUT IN THAT. THE BEAUTY OF SOME OF US GETTING ELECTED IS THE FACT THAT WE CAN BRING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS PART OF MY JOB AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, TO BRING A LEVEL OF RESOURCES. AND TO ANSWER THAT, SPEAKING OF MY EVENT, WE DID PROVIDE A SURVEY FED OVER 500 PEOPLE. THOSE RESIDENTS, WE PROVIDED OVER, UH, 60, UM, NONPROFITS, UH, INTERNAL ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS STATE, LOCAL COUNTY ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT THE RESIDENTS TO MEET THEM WHERE THEY ARE. SO THERE WAS A SERVICE, SEVERAL SERVICES THAT PROVIDED IN MY EVENT REGARDING THAT. UM, REGARDING THE NUMBERS, I GUESS, HOW CAN WE, 'CAUSE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, MY QUESTION WAS HOW DID WE COME UP WITH $500? WAS THERE A, UH, ANY DATA THAT PROVIDED THAT? AND IF NOT, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT SAY, A EXPUNGEMENT FAIR ON A SATURDAY. UM, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER OF DATA ASKING OUR TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, OUR STAFF? WHAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT WAS, UH, SPENT ON THAT PARTICULAR DAY FOR THAT? AND BASE IT OFF THAT, BECAUSE I THINK 500, UNLESS Y'ALL CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T HAVE ANY BACKING OF, OF RESEARCH DONE. UM, IF YOU CAN ANSWER THAT AND JUST TO SPEED UP TO GO FROM THAT, MY WHOLE PREMISE AGAIN IS THAT WE HAVE ORGANIZATIONS WHO ARE NOT OFFICIAL AND UNOFFICIAL WHO USE TOWN RESOURCES ON A ONLY, UH, DAILY BASIS OR WEEKLY BASIS. AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN OFFICIAL. WE HAVE CPRC, WE HAVE, UH, OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT USE ON SATURDAY EVENTS AND WE ARE OFFICIAL MEMBERS OF THE TOWN. SO IT REALLY, FOR ME, FROM A ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT OR A GROUP STANDPOINT, THEY CAN USE THE RESOURCES BUT US AS BEING ELECTED TO BE, REPRESENT THE TOWN. I HAVE A SHIRT ON THAT SAYS SEVERALLY. HE DOES, YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTOPHER WADE. THAT MEANS I'M A PART OF THAT. WHY WOULD NEED WE NOT BE ABLE TO USE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TO HAVE AN EVENT FOR OUR RESIDENTS AS PART OF THE JOB? UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE WEEKEND ASPECT BECAUSE IF IT'S JUST NINE TO FIVE, THEN NO WEEKEND EVENTS CAN BE DONE. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. NO ONE'S GONNA SHOW UP TO THE EVENTS. UM, THE BOTTOM, SINCE WE'RE GOING OVER THREE, THE OVERTIME ASPECT, UM, CLUBS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. UM, IT SAYS THE USE OF INDOOR TOWN FACILITIES. WE PICK A BALL USES A REC COUNCIL USES IT. WE HAVE A CHEF PROM THAT USES IT. WE, UH, EARLY MORNING, UM, UH, UH, SPORTS OR A NUR OR, UH, DAYCARE INDIVIDUALS USE IT ON A DAILY BASIS. WHY WOULD NOT OUR, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE TOWN HAVE ACCESS TO EVENT? OR IF WE HAVE PLANNED A EVENT 90 DAYS IN EVENTS AND IT RAINS THAT WEEKEND, WHY WOULD WE NOT MOVE THAT EVENT INSIDE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ACCOMMODATE THAT VERSUS OUR, OUR, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S THE RESIDENTS THAT SUFFER REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR ASPECT. SO THE USE OF INDOOR FACILITIES AND PART C THAT DOESN'T, UM, 'CAUSE THAT DOESN'T APPLY TO OTHER ORGANIZATIONS OR IF WE HAVE ANY OUTDOOR EVENT, UH, ACCESS TO THE RESTROOMS OR ACCESS TO, UH, THE OUTDOOR RESTROOMS. AND NOT FOR PEOPLE A DA COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO USE THOSE PARTICULAR FACILITIES FROM THERE. SO I THINK THAT COVERS THE MOST PART FOR TWO. SO IF WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT THAT, IT'D BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. OKAY. IT IS NINE 30. UH, IT'S PAST NINE 30. UH, SO I DO WANNA, I DID FORGET. SO I'M GONNA GO TO THE VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'RE GONNA NEED TO WRAP, YOU KNOW, WRAP UP THIS, WRAP THIS UP OR DEFER IT. 'CAUSE I DO WANNA HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. [01:25:01] UM, I DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE LIMITATION ON THE INDOOR FACILITIES OR THE OUTDOOR FACILITIES. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS IN TOWN WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO USE ANY OF THE FACILITIES THAT AREN'T ALREADY BOOKED FOR SOMETHING ELSE, OUTDOOR OR INDOOR. BUT VICE MAYOR, YOU HAVE A FLOOR. UM, YEAH, THE $500, UM, WAS, UH, GOTTEN TO IN CONSULTATION WITH TOWN ADMINISTRATOR GALLOWAY. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, IT JUST FEELS LIKE A GOOD AMOUNT. UM, THE CPRC IS AN OFFICIAL TOWN ORGANIZATION. UM, THERE'S A WHOLE LONG LIST OF ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE OFFICIAL TOWN ORGANIZATIONS. THEY'RE NOT ADVISORY BOARDS, BUT THERE ARE RULES. THERE ARE RULES IN THE FACILITIES USAGE POLICY AND IN THE TOWN ORGANIZATION POLICY THAT LAY OUT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST, I THINK 51% OF THEIR MEMBERS NEED TO BE CH RESIDENTS AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE BYLAWS. IT'S ALL LAID OUT. UM, SO CPRC IS DEFINITELY ONE OF THOSE. I THINK, UM, HISTORICALLY THE IDEA THERE HAVE BEEN SORT OF TWO IDEAS. ONE IS THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR TOWN ORGANIZATIONS THAT DO SO MUCH GOOD, THAT ARE VOLUNTEER LED HAVE ACCESS TO TOWN RESOURCES FIRST AND FOREMOST. YES. AND THAT TOWN OFFICIALS ARE RESIDENTS, UM, ELECTED OFFICIALS, AND THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT USING TOWN RESOURCES VERY MUCH OVER AND ABOVE WHAT A RESIDENT HAS ACCESS TO. UM, WHICH IS WHY IN THE PAST IT JUST LIKE INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN THEIR OWN USE OF INDOOR FACILITIES, UM, UNLESS IT'S A TOWN OF IT. UM, SO THAT WAS THE THINKING THERE IS JUST THAT, THAT IS WHAT HAS BEEN DONE. THAT IS THE FEEL, THE FEELING OF WE ARE RESIDENTS. WE DON'T WANT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO. WE WANT TO SUPPORT THE GROUPS, UM, THAT ARE DOING THE GOOD WORK. UM, SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND THAT SECTION. YEAH. I WOULD THROW IN, UM, YEAH, TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I DON'T WANT TO PUT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AHEAD OF VOLUNTEER ORGANIZATIONS. I CERTAINLY DON'T WANNA BUMP SOMEONE. I DON'T WANNA PUT THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR OR FRANKLY MYSELF IN THE POSITION OF TELLING THE WOMEN'S CLUB, HEY, I KNOW YOU HAD THE GYM ON SUNDAY. GUESS WHAT? DAVID'S GONNA TAKE IT FROM YOU FOR HIS EVENT. UH, WE DON'T WANNA BE IN THAT SITUATION. I, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE SHOULD BE FRANKLY LOWER ON THE TOTEM POLE THAN THE WOMEN'S CLUB. UM, SO MAYBE I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR SOME KIND OF PARODY THERE. UM, WITH A TOWN ORGANIZATION, I THINK CHRIS WOULD AGREE HE'S A HUNDRED PERCENT, UH, CH RESIDENTS. UM, NOT 51%. UM, DAVID, DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? NO, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO I WANNA, UH, BECAUSE IT IS GETTING LATE, UH, WHY DON'T WE JUST BREAK HERE AND INVITE PUBLIC INPUT. UH, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO COME TO THE PODIUM OR RAISE YOUR HAND ONLINE. UH, YOUR NAME AND WARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, MA'AM, YOU'RE FIRST. THANK YOU. MINTY GREEN LIGHT. HI MINTY, WADE WARD ONE. UH, JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. AGAIN, THANKS VERY MUCH. I AGREE WE NEED TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. AT THE SAME TOKEN, I HAVE A COUPLE OF FEEDBACK. SO I THINK FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, HERE'S A POTENTIAL FIX. YOU COULD SAY UP TO TWO OR THREE EVENTS KNOWING THAT NOT EVERY ELECTED OFFICIAL IS GONNA DO TWO OR THREE. SO I THINK ASSUMING THAT EVERYONE'S GONNA DO TWO OR THREE EVENT IS FALSE. SO LET'S MAYBE MAKE IT UP TO SECOND. UM, I THINK, UM, I AGREE WHAT THE MAYOR STATED AND WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER, UM, UM, BRIAN STATED THAT WE CERTAINLY DO NOT WANT COUNCIL MEMBERS GETTING ANY ACCESS TO SERVICES ABOVE THAT OF TOWN ORGANIZATION. SO I WOULD STRONGLY ADVOCATE THAT WE HAVE PARITY BECAUSE AS A BOARD MEMBER OF CPRC, I'M PERSONALLY WORKING WITH MY PRESIDENT RIGHT NOW TO PLAN OUR SPRING FESTIVAL, WHICH IS ON THE WEEKEND. IT'S SEVERAL HOURS. WE HAVE SUBMITTED A, UM, SPECIAL PERMIT. WE KNOW WE ARE GONNA HAVE TOWN OFFICIALS DROPPING OFF STUFF AND HELPING WITH THE CLEANUP AND ALL OF THE STUFF. SO I THINK COUNCIL MEMBERS SHOULD BE AFFORDED THE SAME, UM, INFORMATION. THIRD, ON THE ISSUE OF SPLITTING HAIRS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT A COUNT IS A TOWN EVENT VERSUS A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT VERSUS IT PROVIDES A PUBLIC GOOD. [01:30:01] I BELIEVE THAT THERE HAS TO BE A PROCESS IF THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR SIGNS OFF ON IT AND APPROVES IT. AND IF LEGAL AND ALL OF THOSE STEPS HAS BEEN TAKEN, THAT CONSTITUTES A TOWN EVENT. SO I THINK BASICALLY SIMPLIFYING A POLICY RATHER THAN GETTING TIED UP AND NOT IS GONNA MAKE IT VERY EASY FOR ANYONE LEGACY COMING AFTER THIS COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO ADHERE TO THESE POLICIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT INPUT. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PLEASE, UH, APPROACH, UH, AND THE MICROPHONE. MAKE SURE THE GREEN LIGHT IS ON. I DON'T SEE ANYONE ONLINE. YOUR NAME AND WARD AND YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS DAMALI PRITT. I AM, UH, FROM WARD FOUR, ACTUALLY RECENTLY MOVED FROM WARD FOUR, BUT PLANNING TO MOVE BACK INTO C 'CAUSE IT'S DEEP IN MY HEART. SO I'M JUST GONNA SPEAK REALLY QUICKLY FROM THE RESIDENTS PERSPECTIVE. UM, I, THE WHOLE TIME I'VE LIVED IN CHEVROLET, I'VE BEEN IN WARD FOUR. UM, WHAT MADE ME MOVE INTO CHEVROLET IN THE FIRST PLACE WAS THE SENSE OF COMMUNITY. THE SENSE OF CONNECTION THAT I EXPERIENCED BY PARTICIPATING IN LOCAL EVENTS, ESPECIALLY THE WARD ONE ANNUAL COMMUNITY DAY THAT I WAS NOT IN WARD ONE, I WAS WELCOMED. UM, AND EVEN AS A RESIDENT, I RECEIVED TREE VEGETABLES. MY MOTHER, WHO IS A SENIOR AND DISABLED, HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THESE EVENTS TO CONNECT WITH OTHERS IN WAYS THAT MADE HER FEEL MORE ALIVE AND CONNECTED. SO I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF HER AS WELL. I KNOW THAT ONLY STILL GIVES ME THREE MINUTES. UM, BUT CONNECTING WITH VENDORS AND OTHERS, UH, ASSOCIATIONS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES HAVE BEEN TRULY HELPFUL FOR ME. AND BECOMING ACQUAINTED WITH OUR OFFICIALS WAS, UH, WAS A KEY DRIVER FOR EVEN KEEPING ME IN CH SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT AS YOU ALL ARE TOSSING THROUGH SOME OF THE SEMANTICS OF THE POLICY, UM, THE POLICY CONCERNS ME BECAUSE, AND AGAIN, SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE STILL BEING TOSSED AROUND, BUT I THINK IT SEVERELY DISCONNECTS THE COMMUNITY. SO BOTH FROM OUR OFFICIALS, BUT ALSO FROM EACH OTHER. UM, THE ONE EVENT PER YEAR. AND I AGREE WITH MS. WADE'S SUGGESTION OF UP TO TWO TO THREE, UM, AND WITH EVERYTHING THAT SHE SAID IN SUPPORT OF THAT, THAT CONSISTENT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT THROUGH TOWN HALLS, NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, ISSUE FORUMS, ALL OF THAT IS CRITICAL TO THIS COMMUNITY AND IT'S CORE TO THE ROLE OF OUR OFFICIALS. SO IN KEEPING WITH THAT, THOSE PIECES, IN ADDITION TO THE 90 DAY PROHIBIT PROHIBITION ON EVENTS DURING ELECTION PERIODS, AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN TOUCHED ON ALREADY, BUT AGAIN, THAT PIECE ALONE, ALSO FURTHER DISCONNECTS, OFFICIALS FROM RESIDENTS FOR A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE YEAR. UM, RESTRICTED COMMUNICATION OPTIONS. I'M IN THE DARK COMPLETELY IF THEY'RE NOT DIFFERENT COMMUNICATION CHANNELS. I'M ON THE CHEVROLET EXCHANGE EVERY DAY MYSELF NOW TO THIS DAY. BUT I NEED OTHER AVENUES TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY, UM, AND TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH POINT, TOUCH BASE WITH WHOEVER'S HOSTING AN EVENT. SO THAT PIECE DOES LIMIT PARTICIPATION. AND AS I JUST WRAP UP HERE, IT ALSO REMOVES OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND RESOURCES FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE $500 CAP. THAT'S BALLOONS. I MEAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, IT'S REALLY NOT A LOT OF MONEY AND I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND IT IS CRITICAL TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, BUT THERE'S NOT A LOT, UM, TO DO WITH THE $500 EVEN WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT BASIC EVENT LOGISTICS. SO I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT PIECE IS REVISITED AS WELL IN EARNEST. UM, THE STAFF RESTRICTION PIECE SEEMS A BIT VAGUE, BUT I KNOW YOU ALL ARE WORKING ON THAT AND DEFINING CAPACITY FOR STAFF. UM, AND IT IS, IT IS, UM, JUST, UH, IT'S, IT'S DISCONCERTING TO ME THAT TOWN ORGANIZATIONS AND OTHER GROUPS DO HAVE MORE ACCESS TO RESOURCES THAN THE MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL. SO I, I REALLY HOPE THAT THAT IS REVISITED. 'CAUSE IT DOES SEEM LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD AND THE RULES SHOULD BE THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD. SO JUST LASTLY, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST AS YOU, FOR THOSE WHO ARE REALLY SUPPORTING THIS POLICY, AS YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN, YOUR PLATFORM, WHAT YOU RAN ON, IT WAS IN SUPPORT OF THE RESIDENTS, AS YOU KNOW. SO AS YOU'RE MAKING A DECISION ON THIS POLICY, PLEASE, I'M HOPING THAT YOU MAKE SURE THAT IT'S IN KEEPING WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. THAT WAS EXCELLENT, UH, AND VERY HELPFUL. UH, NOT SEEING ANYONE ELSE ON, NOT SEEING ANYONE ONLINE, PLEASE NAME AND WARRANT. YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. OKAY, SURE. HI, I'M KEISHA WALKER AGAIN. UM, WARD ONE. AND JUST, JUST THREE QUICK POINTS, UM, BECAUSE I THINK BOTH WHO WENT BEFORE ME KIND OF SPELLED IT OUT VERY NICELY. BUT NUMBER ONE, I JUST WANNA DOUBLE DOWN ON THE FACT THAT I THINK IF THE PROCESS ENTAILS IT GOING BEFORE THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, THAT THAT THEN NECESSITATES THAT IS NOW A TOWN EVENT. SO I THINK THAT POINT WE CAN KIND OF MOVE PAST, IF YOU GO THROUGH THE PROCESS, THAT THEN CONSTITUTES A TOWN EVENT. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY, JUST AS A POINT OF CLARITY, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ONE EVENT PER COUNCIL MEMBER, WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER COLLABORATIONS. WE DIDN'T SPECIFY IF TWO OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS JOINED TOGETHER, DOES THAT NOW CONSTITUTE THEIR ONE EVENT OR IS THAT A HALF AN EVENT? SO I THINK WE NEED TO THINK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT. AND THEN JUST [01:35:01] THE PIECE AROUND, UM, THE MARGINALIZATION OF SOME ASPECTS OR SOME COMMUNITIES WITHIN THE TOWN. I THINK SOME, FOR SOME OF US, OUR, UM, INTERACTION WITH OUR TOWN COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYBE OUR FIRST ENTREE INTO LEARNING MORE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE LARGER TOWN. SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP, UM, THAT PERSON OR THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE THERE TO REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITIES FRONT AND CENTER, CENTER IN SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE BROUGHT TO THE LARGER COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE PULSE ON WHAT WANTS TO, NEEDS TO BE DONE, NEEDS TO BE DONE WITHIN THAT COMMUNITY. AND THEN LASTLY, I WAS JUST MORE CURIOSITY, CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT NECESSITATED THIS POLICY TO BE DEVELOPED IN THE FIRST PLACE. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE SEEING AS AN ISSUE WHERE MULTIPLE COUNCILMEN OR HOSTING EVENTS, LIKE WHAT KIND OF NECESSITATED, THIS IS A VERY LENGTHY AND RESTRICTIVE IN MANY WAYS, POLICY TO GET MORE UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHY WE FELT THIS NEED TO BE THE CASE? UM, WOULD BE GOOD TO KNOW AS WELL. THANK YOU. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WILL JUST, UM, OFFER MY WHY I THINK WE NEED A POLICY. UM, NOT, NOT EVERYONE MAY AGREE WITH ME, BUT I WILL, I WILL SAY, UM, I THINK IT'S TO PROTECT THE STAFF AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR AND TO DRAW SOME GUIDELINES THAT HAVE THAT LOOK, EVERY TOWN ADMINISTRATOR ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY WANTS TO SAY YES EVERY TIME A COUNCIL MEMBER, AN ELECTED OFFICIAL PICKS UP THE PHONE. UM, AND THAT'S NOT REASONABLE, ESPECIALLY IN A SMALL TOWN, A TOWN OF 6,000 PEOPLE WITH SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS. UH, AND SO TO, TO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR STAFF, INCLUDING THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, REASONABLE AND PRUDENT DECISIONS. UH, I THINK THAT THE ELECTED OFFICIALS OWE IT TO THE COMMUNITY AND, AND THE STAFF TO HAVE SOME GUIDELINES ABOUT HOW TO DO THIS. UM, SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA. GO AHEAD, COUNCILMEMBER. UH, TO ANSWER MY WARD ONE, UH, EVENT, IT, IT HAPPENED AFTER MY LAST YEAR'S WARD ONE EVENT, WHEN THERE WAS AN ETHICS COMPLAINT DONE BECAUSE OF MY EVENT, THAT'S WHAT STARTED THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. LET JUST GET THE ELEPHANT OUT THE ROOM. NO ONE HAS EVER DONE AN EVENT LIKE THAT SO SOON AS I STARTED DOING THE EVENT FROM DAY ONE, THAT'S WHY I SET THE CHURCH. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS LOAN. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MAYOR, BUT LET'S, LET'S BE CLEAR THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD. THIS IS THE REASON WHY THAT WE HAVING THIS, I ASKED FOR THIS TO BE DONE LAST YEAR, IT'S ALMOST A FULL YEAR, AND WE STILL HAVEN'T GOT THIS DONE. THIS IS THE REASON WHY SEVERAL INDIVIDUALS IN THE TOWN DON'T COME TO BEATINGS BECAUSE THEY ALSO TREAT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE SAME FORM OF FAMINE. I, I, I UNDERSTAND WHAT RESIDENTS ARE TELLING ME. I CAN'T SPEAK FOR NO ONE ELSE HERE, BUT THAT'S THE REASON IF ME FEELING IN THIS SEAT FEEL LIKE I'M BEING, I'M, I'M BEING THIS DIRECTED AT ME, GOD KNOWS WHAT THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS FEEL THAT'S HAPPENING TO THEM. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, IT STARTED AFTER MY EVENT OCCURRED THIS LAST YEAR, I YIELD BACK. UH, OKAY. I WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S EVERYONE ELSE IN THE, IN THE, IN THE, IN THE IN THE PUBLIC HAS A CHANCE TO SPEAK. UM, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE COME UP. UH, DAVID, DID YOU HAVE A QUICK POINT? I CAN WAIT. OKAY. UH, AND THEN ANYBODY ELSE, PLEASE, UH, QUEUE UP. UH, NAME AND WARD LEILA AZI, WARD ONE. UM, A A FEW THINGS. I I WOULD REALLY, AS A RESIDENT, LIKE TO UNDERSTAND, UM, MORE ABOUT THE $500, UM, BECAUSE I'M THINKING HOW MANY HOURS OF HOW MANY PEOPLE AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING THAT LOOKS AT WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN AVERAGE EVENT. THE, UM, EXPUNGEMENT FAIR MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE INTENSE. UM, BUT WORKING WITH TOWN STAFF TO UNDERSTAND WHAT AVERAGE MIGHT BE AND JUST HOW MANY STAFF MEMBERS DOING WHAT AND TO HAVE THAT AS A FIGURE. AND THAT MIGHT INFORM, DOES IT NEED TO BE ONE EVENT OR TWO EVENTS, AND HOW DOES THAT WORK? AND THEN ALSO TO LOOK AT, UM, NOT EVERY EVENT WILL BE AT THAT SAME SCALE. SO IT MIGHT BE THAT FOR ONE EVENT SOMEBODY NEEDS FIVE TABLES, BUT FOR ANOTHER EVENT, THE OTHER NEEDS TO BE THE GYM FLOOR COVERED OR WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT TAKE MORE TIME INVOLVE MORE. MY, MY LARGER CONCERN IS THE POTENTIAL TO BLOCK COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FROM SPACE. SO HOWEVER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RANKING OF, OR THE WORKING WITH YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO, YOU DON'T WANNA BE IN A SPACE WHERE CPRC CAN'T HOLD THEIR EVENT [01:40:01] WHERE C VILLAGE CAN'T HOLD THEIR EVENT. YOU KNOW, WHERE THE VACCINE, I, I'LL SPEAK FOR THE VACCINE CLINIC GOING ON THE SEVENTH YEAR GETS BUMPED BECAUSE OF, BECAUSE WE ALREADY ARE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU'RE COMPETING FOR, UM, SPACE. SO, UM, THE THING THAT I, I HAVE FOUND MOST DISTASTEFUL ABOUT THIS IS HOW IT OCCURRED. THAT MY PERCEPTION WAS THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WAS RAKED ACROSS THE COALS, UM, IMMEDIATELY BEFORE AN EVENT. AND THERE WAS NO COLLABORATION COOPERATION TO SUPPORT THAT EVENT GOING FORWARD WHEN THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS THAT HAVE REALLY SKIRTED THE LINE, MADE DIFFERENT ABUSES, PUT ALL OF THIS THING. SO IT REALLY LANDED AS TARGETED ON AN INDIVIDUAL. SO THE IDEA OF COMING BACK AND WORKING ACROSS THE COUNCIL FOR AN EVENT, ALL THINGS BEING LOVELY, THAT'S, THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT WHAT HAPPENS UNFORTUNATELY IN PERSONALITIES IS IT BECOMES A PERSONALITY EVENT AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU SUPPORT AND IT BECOMES THIS SORT OF THING. I WISH IT DIDN'T, I REALLY WISH IT DIDN'T. SO THE, THE POLICY NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS, UM, EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER TO HAVE SOMETHING WHERE THEY ARE ABLE TO RELY ON TOWN RESOURCES WITHIN LIMITS WE CAN GET TO THERE AND WITHIN LIMITS OF MAYBE REVISITING IN, IN TWO YEARS TO SEE IF IT, YOU KNOW, RUNS OUT OF CONTROL. UM, AND JUST HAVE IT BE THAT THE FIRST, THE FIRST ITERATION OF THIS IS A LEARNING EXPERIENCE AND TO HAVE GRACE, UM, WITH, UH, EACH OTHER AND GRACE WITH YOURSELVES. AND PLEASE DON'T FORGET THAT COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS REALLY ARE AT THE HEART AND MAYBE PARTNERING WITH COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR SOME OF YOUR EVENTS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK THAT LAST POINT IS EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT ALSO, YEAH, THIS IS BEING ABLE TO DO, HAVING ELECTED OFFICIALS ABLE TO DO EVENTS COULD, IS A WAY TO HELP, UH, COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS AND IN SOME CASES RESUSCITATE A COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION, UH, IF THE COLLABORATION IS DONE CORRECTLY. UM, COUNSEL, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO STOP THERE AS IT IS CLOSE TO 10 O'CLOCK, UH, AND DEFER THIS DISCUSSION TO NEXT WEEK. I DO WANNA JUST SEE IF THERE'S ANY COUNSEL COMMENTS, UM, BEFORE WE REVISIT THIS NEXT MONTH. DO YOU WANNA START WITH DAVID AND THEN GO AHEAD. JUST SO IT'S, UH, SORT OF ON THE RECORD, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION WAS ASKED, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? SOME OF THE REASON IT'S TOUGH IS WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS MAKE IT SO WE ARE FURTHERING WHAT THEY CALL INCUMBENT ADVANTAGE THAT I'M ABLE TO SAY I'M THE COUNCIL MEMBER FROM WARD FOUR, SO I'M GONNA HAVE EVENTS AND EVENTS AND EVENTS, ESPECIALLY ON ELECTION YEARS, RIGHT? SO THE WORRY IS THAT I'M, I'M TAKING ADVANTAGE OF MY POSITION TO PROMOTE MYSELF EVEN IF I'M CALLING IT A BARBECUE OR WHATEVER. UM, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME RULES. I THINK THAT'S THE BIG DISTINCTION BETWEEN A COMMUNITY GROUP AND AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, IS THEY DON'T HAVE THAT SAME TYPE OF INCENTIVE STRUCTURE CPRC IS HAVING ITS SPRING DAY, THERE'S, THERE'S NO ONE, WELL, YOU REALLY HAVE TO BE WORKING A CERTAIN ANGLE TO HAVE THAT BE FEEL LIKE A LONG YEAH. LONG GAME TO HAVE THAT FEEL LIKE A CAMPAIGN EVENT. SO THAT'S THE CAUTION IS THAT WE WANT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND, UH, AS COUNCIL MEMBER WADE SAID SOME, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE BRING DIFFERENT STRENGTHS AND EVENT ORGANIZING IS CLEARLY ONE OF COUNCIL MEMBER WADE. SO THAT IS THE KIND OF THING THAT EVEN THOUGH IT'S LABELED A WARD ONE EVENT, ABSOLUTELY THE ENTIRE TOWN BENEFITED FROM IT, RIGHT? THERE'S NO QUESTION. I'M BASICALLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM IT. SO I, I SAW JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE COMING AND I WAS THERE MYSELF. SO THAT'S THE TENSION. AND AS LAYLA SAID, UH, THERE'S ALSO SO ONLY SO MANY RESOURCES AND THE MOST LIMITED ONE IS TIME. SO I REALLY LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE SAY, HEY, THIS IS VERSION ONE AND WE'RE GONNA TRY IT FOR TWO YEARS AND WE'RE GONNA COME BACK. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS WE START CAUTIOUSLY AND THEN WE EXPAND IT. UM, BECAUSE I AM A MATH TEACHER, SO WHENEVER I SEE THE NUMBERS, IT WAS A LITTLE BIT LIKE WHAT, UH, VICE MAYOR BRINER SAID. I THINK, WELL, WHAT IF WE ALL DO THAT? WELL THEN THAT'S DEFINITELY CUTTING INTO SOMEONE'S, UH, EVENTS BECAUSE THERE ARE JUST ONLY SO MANY WEEKENDS AVAILABLE. COUNCIL. THANK YOU. UM, AND TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON WHAT YOU SAID, COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI, UM, BEING VERY CLEAR ABOUT WHEN WE HOST OR WHEN WE'RE IN OUR ROLE AS A COUNCIL MEMBER VERSUS, UM, THE WHOLE CAMPAIGNING THING, RIGHT? UM, [01:45:01] AND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEAR LINE FOR WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN GET IN TROUBLE, RIGHT? UM, BECAUSE THE WHOLE CAMPAIGNING THING IS PROMOTING, YOU KNOW, YOU AS A CANDIDATE VERSUS A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EVENT. AND I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES, ESPECIALLY AS WE GET CLOSER TO ELECTION, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY SEEING IT ALL OVER THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, UM, THE LINES CAN GET BLURRED. SO WE'RE WANTING TO MAKE IT VERY DISTINCT BECAUSE WE, WE DO WANNA HOLD OURSELVES ABOVE AND BEYOND, UM, IN THE SENSE OF HOW WE CARRY OURSELVES AND WHAT IS EXPECTED OF US. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT IS A BIG THING. AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE TOWN HALLS AND THE BLOCK WALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT, AND IN OUR CONVERSATION AS THE POLICY SECURITY, THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT. AND I THINK ALSO TOO TO, UM, LAYLA'S POINT IS THERE'S BEEN EVENTS IN THE PAST WHERE YOU KIND OF RAISED AN EYEBROW AND YOU'RE LIKE, HMM, WE DON'T REALLY, WE'VE NEVER HAD THAT. IS THAT SOMETHING WE WANNA BE DOING? AND IF WE DO, SHOULD WE BE MORE EXPLICIT ABOUT THAT WE'RE DOING THE HOLDING CERTAIN TYPES OF EVENTS? UM, I THINK, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO DISCUSS TOO, IS LIKE A BLOCK WALK. IS THAT CONSIDERED A COUNCIL MEMBER EVENT? I DON'T THINK WE'VE REALLY DONE THAT BEFORE. IT DOESN'T TAKE A LOT OF RESOURCES. CPD IS USUALLY, YOU KNOW, WANTING TO DO THESE MONTHLY WALKS, UM, AROUND TOWN ANYWAY. AND SO I THINK THEY MAKE AN EFFORT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE SHOWING UP IN EVERY PART OF THE COMMUNITY. SO THEN WE JOIN THEM AND THEN IT BECOMES A BLOCK WALK. UM, DO WE WANNA SAY THAT'S, THAT'S, I, I DON'T THINK SO. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE ALL HAVE THE SAME ACCESS TO IT. I THINK IT'S A VERY LITTLE LIFT. UM, SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TOWN HALL, UM, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE DO ANYTHING LIKE REALLY BIG, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO HOST THEIR OWN LITTLE, UM, COFFEE CONVERSATIONS. THEY MIGHT DO IT ON ZOOM, THEY MIGHT MEET ON A CORNER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WOULD PUT AND LUMP INTO THIS POLICY HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THIS IS JUST SOMETHING YOU'RE DOING ON THE CORNER. SO THOSE ARE SOME THINGS WE MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT MORE TO SEE, UM, HOW THEY DO OR DON'T IN, IN WHAT'S EXCLUDED EXPLICITLY EXCLUDED. I THINK A LOT OF THOSE, AND I THINK WE, WE ARE GONNA HAVE A, A COUNCIL, MAYOR AND COUNCIL ROOM SOON, WHICH MEANS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HOST SMALL LITTLE MEETINGS THERE. UM, AND LIKE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW WE'LL WE'LL DECIDE HOW WE DO ALL OF THAT TOO. BUT WE ARE NOW HAVE, UM, MORE SPACE. THAT'S ONE THING. UM, AND I KNOW THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE FACILITIES USAGE POLICY IN THE PAST IS ONCE WE HAVE MORE SPACE, IT'S GONNA CHANGE WHAT OUR FACILITIES USE POLICY IS GONNA BE. 'CAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE MOSTLY ONLY LOOKING AT TOWN HALL AND THEN THE, A FEW OF THE OUTDOOR SPACES. AND SO ALL OF IT IS, I THINK, EVER EVOLVING IN A WAY AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT. UM, I THINK THE IDEA WAS, YES, WE DON'T WANT TO BE EXCEPTIONAL, UM, AS, AS ELECTED AT PEOPLE, PEOPLE TO BE GETTING ALL THESE, UM, EXTRA PERKS TO START SMALL AND THEN KIND OF BUILD OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMMUNITY, UM, GIVING US INPUT AS WE'RE BUILDING THIS POLICY SO THAT WHATEVER THE POLICY IS, IT'S NOT A SHOCK TO THE COMMUNITY. THE COMMUNITY'S SEEN IT AND THEY AGREE AND THEY THINK LIKE, HEY, YEAH, WE THINK YOU GUYS DESERVE THESE PRIVILEGES AS ELECTED PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO ENGAGE OUR COMMUNITY. SO I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE WHO CAME, UM, AND PROVIDED INPUT. I WOULD SAY I UNDERSTAND COUNCIL MEMBER WADE'S URGENCY ON WANTING TO GET THIS DONE. IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE, UM, AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THIS IN THE PAST WITH SOME OF OUR POLICY, UH, DRAFTS, IS TO GET THE INPUT, UM, COMMENTS ON THE DOCUMENT SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO INCORPORATE THEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE THE NEXT TIME IF WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF THE COMMUNITY TO TALK ABOUT IT. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. WE CAN TRY TO COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS, COME UP WITH A CONSENSUS DOCUMENT AND BRACKET THE STUFF THAT WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS ON. AND THEN, SO WE'RE JUST WORKING ON THE BRACKETS JUST, AND WE CAN GET THAT IN THE PACKET FOR THE APRIL 23RD WORK SESSION SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS IT. GO AHEAD. BECAUSE THAT, YEAH. SO THAT WAY WE CAN JUST TRY TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER WITH IT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I AM NOT SURE WHERE THE 90 DAYS LANDS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER WADE'S ANNUAL EVENT. ARE WE? OR WHAT, WHAT IS THE 90 DAY MARK, MR. YOUNG, DO YOU KNOW? I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. BECAUSE FEBRUARY 5TH IS 90 DAYS FROM AN ELECTION. IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN? RIGHT. NO, HE HAS AN EVENT EVERY JULY. YEAH. SO THE 90 DAYS. SO IF HE'S GOING TO, BECAUSE I IMAGINE THE, OH, TALKING ABOUT HE'S, HE HAS, HAS HIS EVENT THAT HE'S TRYING TO PLAN AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS AT THE SAME TIME, IF THE TIMELINE DOES NOT MATCH, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO, FOR US TO COLLECTIVELY DECIDE IF WE WANNA PROVIDE AN EXCEPTION [01:50:01] AS WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT HE IS ABLE TO HOLD HIS EVENT AND THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT AT LEAST WITHIN SOME OF THE CON CONFINES OF WHAT THIS IS TO MAKE SURE THAT NOTHING IS BEING, UM, DONE IN A WAY THAT PUTS THE TOWN AT RISK FOR ANYTHING. UH, AND I WOULD IMAGINE MR. DELO CAN HELP US WITH THAT AS WELL. BUT THAT'S JUST ANOTHER SUGGESTION. UM, BECAUSE IF WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THIS AGAIN TILL APRIL, I MEAN, I GUESS IF WE DO APRIL AND THEN WE PASS IT IN MAY, BUT EVEN THAT'S CUTTING IT CLOSE. YEAH. WE MIGHT NEED AN EXCEPTION AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. UH, OKAY. WE'RE ARE WE GOOD? YEAH, I GOT, YES. YEAH. UH, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN FRY. ACTUALLY, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS I WAS GOING TO DISCUSS BECAUSE WE, IT WOULD NOT MEET THE 90 DAY MARK, UM, FOR THAT, WHICH I DO THINK IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING IN PLACE. UH, I JUST WANNA ALSO JUST ON THE RECORD NOTE THAT IF I WAS MISTAKEN IN SAYING THAT I HAVE THE ORGANIZATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS IN THIS TOWN ARE THE HEARTBEAT OF THIS TOWN. WITHOUT THEM, WE ARE NOT HERE. HANDS DOWN. WE WILL LEAVE THESE POSITIONS AND, AND GO ON TO WHATEVER WE WANNA DO. BUT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS WILL STILL BE HERE DRIVING THIS FOR. SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MAKING US, UH, EVEN, UH, AT A HIGHER HIERARCHY OF IT. BUT, UM, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, WE ARE, WE HAVE A JOB TO DO AND PART OF OUR JOB IS CULTIVATING AND PROVIDING AVENUES FOR OUR RESIDENTS NOT TO ONLY SEE US OUTSIDE OF THE TOWN. THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR DOESN'T, AND HE'S, HE'S DOGGONE THE BEST TOWN ADMINISTRATOR IN THE STATE OF MARYLAND, LET ALONE ANYWHERE ELSE. SO LET'S CLARIFY. AND THE STAFF, OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, BUT IT'S NOT HIS JOB TO KNOCK ON DOORS AND SEE WHAT NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR SALLY. HER CONCERN IS THAT'S OUR JOB. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AVENUES AND PLATFORMS AND SITUATIONS AND EVENTS THAT CAN FACILITATE THAT. THAT'S PART OF OUR JOB TO DO THAT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE IS EN UH, EMPHASIZED REGARDLESS. AND IF I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT, MY WIFE, WHO'S A BOARD MEMBER, CPRC, SHE WILL KICK MY BEHIND WHEN I GET HOME. SO I YIELD BACK . OKAY. UH, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING MR. GALLOWAY, OR ARE YOU GOOD? NO, I'M GOOD. SO I GUESS WE, WELL, NO, I'M NOT GOOD RIGHT NOW. DO WE NEED TO VOTE ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS NOW? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO KICK TO THE NEXT TOWN MEETING? WE'RE GONNA NEED TO MOVE IT TO THE APRIL 23RD WORK SESSION, I THINK. NO, WELL I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT GIVING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION SO THAT, OH, IT'S GONNA BE OVER THE NIGHT. IF WE'RE GONNA VOTE ON A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, WE SHOULD DO THAT AT A, AT A TOWN MEETING. YOU TELL US HOW FAR IN ADVANCE YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT IT'S THIS PUBLIC BODY'S INTENT TO DO A THAT WELL, I ALREADY HAVE THE APPLICATION IN. IT'S ALREADY GOING THROUGH A REVIEW PROCESS. IT, IT JUST, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS HERE. UM, SO AT THE NEXT TOWN MEETING, I WOULD ASK THE MAYOR COUNCIL TO, OKAY, UH, VOTE ON THAT. YEAH, LET'S PUT IT ON. PERFECT. THAT, THAT NARROW EXCEPTION, UH, FOR THE APRIL 9TH TOWN MEETING. ALRIGHT, LET US GO TO ITEM SEVEN. CONFERENCE BUDGETS FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. UH, ONE OF OUR PUBLIC, SOME OF OUR PUBLIC INPUT WAS TO PROVIDE EACH OTHER GRACE. SO NOW WE WILL HOPEFULLY SHARE MONEY WITH EACH OTHER. UM, MR. GALLOWAY, UM, AS I RECALL, UM, WE HAVE AN AGREED UPON FORMULA. FORMULA IS PROBABLY TOO STRONG OF A WORD AGREED UPON BREAKDOWN FOR HOW THE SEVEN ELECTED OFFICIALS DIVIDE UP THE, THE POT OF MONEY THAT'S IN THE BUDGET EVERY YEAR FOR THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO ATTEND CONFERENCES, UH, ET CETERA. UM, IT IS BASED ON THE FISCAL YEAR AND USUALLY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR IS THE JUNE EVENTS, UH, WHETHER IT'S OCEAN CITY OR WHETHER IT'S, UH, SOME OTHER EVENT. THOSE ARE PAID FOR BY THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. I THINK EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER HAS A FEW PENNIES LEFT IN THEIR PIGGY BANK FOR 26. UH, AND SO THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY NOW TO, UM, DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO, WHAT WE'RE GONNA SPEND, AND IF SOME OF, UM, ONE ELECTED OFFICIAL'S ALLOCATION MIGHT BE MADE AVAILABLE BY THAT, BY THEM TO ANOTHER ELECTED OFFICIAL. SO WHAT DO WE NEED? FIRST OF ALL, LET ME REMIND YOU ALL ALSO THAT YOU NEED TO GIVE MS. RICHARDS AN ANSWER ABOUT MML. BUT, UM, WHAT IS OUR BUDGET? WHAT IS OUR BUDGET? YES, MR. GALLOWAY, IS IT, UH, DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THE BUDGET IS? IS IT VERY YES. THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR THE LINE ITEM [01:55:01] IS 20,000 WITH THE MAYOR HAVE 25% OF THAT ALLOCATION AT 5,000. AND EACH COUNCIL MEMBER HAS 12.5% TOTAL IN $2,500. MR. GALLOWAY, HOW MUCH ARE THE HOTELS FOR MML? THE HOTELS FOR MML ARE ROUGHLY, IT'S $1,200. GISELLE, SHE'S PULLING IT UP NOW. 1107. OKAY. 1107. SO LET'S SAY 11 IF YOU CAN. SO, SO I, I'LL JUST SAY ROUGHLY 1200. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATES FROM YEAR TO YEAR. AND WHAT'S REGISTRATION? REGISTRATION IS 6 75. AND THEN IF YOU HAVE ADVANCED CLASS, SO SEVEN 50, 'CAUSE I THINK MOST OF US ALL HAVE. SO IF WE WANTED TO TAKE THAT ADVANCED CLASS. RIGHT. SO, AND THEN YOU ALSO WANT TO FACTOR IN THE PER DIEM. THE PER DIEM, WHICH IS 3 43 PER PERSON. YOU ALSO WANT TO FACTOR IN THE FALL. WHAT IS THE FALL MML CONFERENCE? OKAY. WHAT, WHAT IS FALL? TYPICALLY A HOTEL LAST YEAR AVERAGED ABOUT THREE 50 A NIGHT OR TOTAL? MM-HMM . TOTAL. OKAY. SO THREE 50 IN REGISTRATION. FIVE 15. FIVE 15. AND PER DIEM, IS THERE ONE? THAT ONE, I DON'T THINK SO. RIGHT. OKAY. UM, NLC FOR THE KING, THE, THE ONE THAT'S HERE IN DC THE ONE THAT'S HERE IN DC IS ABOUT, IS $650 FOR REGISTRATION. IS THAT EARLY? IS THAT REGISTRATION OR NORMAL REGISTRATION? MY COMPUTER FROZE. THAT'S WHY LAST NLC WAS, UH, $1,030. 1000 FOR THE, THE ONE RIGHT HERE A CONFERENCE. OH, OKAY. WITH WHATEVER MEANT. OKAY. AND MAYOR, YOU HAVE A MAYOR'S CONFERENCE, RIGHT? IS IT JUST ONE MAYOR'S CONFERENCE OR ARE THERE MORE THAN ONE? I THINK IT'S ONLY ONE THAT IS SEPARATE AND DISTINCT. YEAH. AND THAT IS IN MARCH. IT'S $185 ML BREAKFAST TOO. AND DID YOU, DO WE INCLUDE THE MMLB, THE, YEAH, ADVOCACY DAY. ADVOCACY DAY IS ABOUT $65 THIS YEAR. YEAH, I, OKAY, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WHEN POSSIBLE IN THE PAST WE'VE TRIED TO PARTICIPATE AS MUCH AS WE CAN WITH EACH OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN POSSIBLE. UM, AND I THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL WHEN WE CAN. SO I DID, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THIS 2,500 AND THIS 5,000 ARE, UM, REALISTIC NUMBERS FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO OR WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT WE ALL WANNA DO. I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA INCLUDE ALL OF THESE. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE MORE ACTIVELY WITH N-S-N-L-C TWO, MEANING THEY GO TO THE OTHER CONFERENCE. RIGHT? SO THAT'S TRAVEL, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETIMES FLIGHT HOTEL. AND BECAUSE IT'S NATIONWIDE. UM, SO WE HAVE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES NEAR US, UM, OUR COLLEAGUES WHO ATTEND THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OTHER PEOPLE WANNA ATTEND. SO I JUST, I JUST WANNA THROW OUT THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONFERENCES THAT WE ATTEND, RIGHT? MML AND NLC. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ONES THAT AND THEN THE MAYOR'S ONE? YEAH, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHERS. SO IS, SORRY, IS ANYONE, I'M SORRY. IS ANYONE THINKING THAT THE 25 IS TOO LOW? IT'S 20, NOT 25, RIGHT? NO, NO. 2,500 THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS. I I'LL SAY THIS. 25. 25. 25 5. I, I'LL JUST SAY, JUST TO, UM, SPEAK ON IT, UM, WE, IF IT, ESPECIALLY IF AN INDIVIDUAL'S ON A PARTICULAR BOARD, UM, REPRESENTATION DOES MATTER. I KNOW COUNCIL MEMBER FRY'S BEEN ON THE P-T-C-M-A. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE MML UM, BOARD. I KNOW MY PREDECESSOR WAS ON THE BOARD AS WELL. UM, I'M ON THE MML COMMITTEE. UM, THAT STUFF MATTERS. IT, IT MATTERS FOR YOU TO BE IN THE ROOM. UM, THE LAST THING WE WANT IS INDIVIDUALS THAT'S OUTSIDE THE ROOM, THE ROOM, HOW MUCH IS THIS? UM, SO FOR US TO ATTEND AT LEAST HAVE REPRESENTATION, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE MEMBERS. I THINK IT'S [02:00:01] VERY IMPORTANT FOR THAT TO OCCUR. UM, REGARDING THAT, UM, I DO BELIEVE IN THE FACT OF THE POOL OF MONEY SHOULD BE SHARED AMONGST EACH OTHER. SO MAYBE ONE YEAR IF I DON'T GO TO JUAN, BUT SOMEONE CAN THEN TAKE THAT IF THEY'RE ON THE BOARD, IF SAY IF COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI BECOMES ON THE BOARD, THEN HE SHOULD BE ALLOTTED TO BE ABLE TO, BECAUSE IF HE DOESN'T ATTEND, HE CAN'T BE ON THAT, THAT BOARD. UM, SO, UH, SO THERE, THERE IS A LEVEL OF IMPORTANCE FOR, UH, FOR US TO HAVE REPRESENTATION AT ALL THESE PARTICULAR, UM, EVENTS, EVEN THE NLC EVENT. BUT I KNOW WE'RE IN TOUGH FISCAL TIME, SO YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T SUPPORT GOING ABOVE $20,000 IN THE 27 BUDGET. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS EVEN ON THE TABLE. I, GO AHEAD MR. GALLOWAY. NEVERMIND. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULD GO OVER, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE BREADTH OF WHAT IT, WHAT THE COST WOULD BE. SHOULD WE ALL PARTICIPATE AT EACH ONE? I THINK WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER WADE IS SAYING, UM, COULD WORK IN THE SENSE OF LIKE, IF YOU ARE ON A COMMITTEE. 'CAUSE I THINK WITH MML, THEY ALSO, THEY WANT YOU TO SHOW UP FAIRLY EARLY SUNDAY BEFORE IT STARTS. AND SOMETIMES YOU'RE THERE PAST, UM, THE TIME MOST PEOPLE LEAVE ON WEDNESDAY BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE TO STAY FOR EXTRA MEETINGS. UM, AND THEN P-G-C-M-A ALSO DOES STUFF. SO IN THAT SENSE TOO, I KNOW OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN ON THESE COMMITTEES WHO ACTUALLY COME IN ON SATURDAY NIGHT, THEY DON'T COME IN ON SUNDAY. RIGHT. BECAUSE THEY ARE IN MEETINGS ALL DAY. THAT'S AN EXTRA NIGHT OF HOTEL. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER CONSIDERED IT, UM, OR AT LEAST CONSIDERED IT IN, IN, IN HERE. RIGHT? LIKE INCLUDED IN THE AMOUNT THAT'S PAID FOR. BUT MAYBE THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IF YOU ARE ON A COMMITTEE, THAT COULD BE THE EXCEPTION AS TO WHY YOU NEED TO ATTEND ADDITIONAL THINGS. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANNA DO THAT. AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE AWARE THAT THE COST, ESPECIALLY THE HOTEL COSTS, THEY'RE GONNA GO UP EVERY YEAR. SO THIS, THIS $20,000, IT, THAT MAY NOT JUST STAY UP FLAT IF THE HOTEL COSTS KEEP GOING UP. SO WE WILL, UH, OKAY. SO I DIDN'T KNOW WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT THAT. UM, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO, I MEAN, I'M, I'M OPPOSED TO GOING ABOVE 20. I THINK. UH, THE SECOND POINT I'LL MAKE IS Y'ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO BORROW FROM EACH OTHER. SO IF YOU HAVE OTHER OBLIGATIONS, LIKE Y'ALL NEED TO GO LOOKING AMONGST YOUR SIX COLLEAGUES FOR MONEY, UM, YOUR NEEDS MAY BE HIGHER. YOU KNOW, DAVID'S NEEDS MAY BE HIGHER THAN JOHN'S. THAT'S ON DAVID TO FIND THE MONEY. UM, IN MY OPINION, AND I'M HAPPY TO GIVE ANYBODY, UM, YOU KNOW, A PORTION OF THE MAYOR'S 5,000 AND I THOUGHT WHAT WE WERE GONNA TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY, MY THREE POINTS. I THOUGHT TONIGHT WE WERE JUST GONNA TAKE A LOOK AT, SEE WHAT'S LEFT, WHO'S GOT WHAT LEFT, AND WHO MIGHT WANT WHAT THEY GOT LEFT. UM, IF WE ONLY SPEND 17,500, GREAT, $2,500 GOES BACK INTO THE, UH, FUND BALANCE. AND WE'RE THAT MUCH CLOSER TO, TO PLUGGING THE DEFICIT FOR 26. UM, SO ARE THERE FOLKS THAT HAVE EXTRA MONEY OR WANT EXTRA MONEY FOR OVER THE NEXT 12 WEEKS? I BELIEVE I, I NEED SOME EXTRA MONEY. . OKAY, THAT'S FINE. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER HOW MUCH I'VE SPENT. I'M, I MAY, I MAY VERY WELL NOT SPEND ANYMORE. I'M JUST, AGAIN, TALKING AS MYSELF. I DON'T KNOW JOHN'S SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW CHARLIE'S SITUATION. I DON'T KNOW IF NICOLE WANTS TO COME IN AND TALK ABOUT HER SITUATION OR HER PLANS. UM, YOU KNOW, I THROW IT OPEN TO ANYBODY ELSE. YES. WILL YOU PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON INDIVIDUAL BALANCES YOU WANT ME TO RUN AND, WELL, WHAT'S BEEN SPENT, THAT'S WHAT HAVE AVAILABLE. YES. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING OUTSTANDING. I THINK WE'RE ALL CAUGHT UP. RIGHT. UH, YOU DEFINITELY HAVE MONEY IN YOUR OKAY. IN YOURS. UM, AND EVERYONE ELSE IS VERY CLOSE BECAUSE OF THE SUMMER CONFERENCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE PLANNING TO GO TO OCEAN CITY. IF THEY, IF THEY GO TO THIS CONFERENCE IN THREE MONTHS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO MONEY AVAILABLE FOR SHARING. SO WE'VE ALREADY BOOKED HOTELS FOR ALL SEVEN. THE HOTELS ARE BOOKED. I HAVE UNTIL APRIL, UM, 11TH TO CANCEL. YEAH. BEFORE INCURRING A FEE. UM, SORRY, LET ME JUST A, TAKE A QUICK DETOUR AND ASK, IS ANYONE PLANNING ON NOT GOING? I HAVE TWO [02:05:01] CONFIRMATIONS ONLY. YEAH. SO THAT, THAT DELTA NEEDS TO BE FIXED , SO BEFORE, BEFORE THE 31ST, SO WE CAN GET THE YEAH, NO, THAT'S, I, YES. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR MS. RICHARDS, UH, YOUR, YOUR THOROUGH ATTENTION TO, OR YOUR ATTENTION TO THE DETAIL, WHICH HAS BEEN MORE THOROUGH THAN OURS. UM, AND SO, UH, I WILL BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH, WITH JOHN AND CHARLIE, UM, OFFLINE. UM, OKAY. I'M NOT PLANNING ON GOING, SO I'M GONNA PUT MY CARD'S FACE UP, UH, FOR OCEAN CITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BOOK ANYTHING FOR ME. IF I NEED TO SNEAK IN, I'LL SNEAK IN USING THIS VEST. UM, SIR, WHAT CAN I DO FOR YOU? SO SINCE YOU HAVE A LITTLE POT OF MONEY OVER THERE, , NOW, UH, GISELLE BY CHANCE, CAN YOU, UH, LET US KNOW? SO HOW MUCH MONEY DOES THAT FREE UP IF HE'S NOT ATTENDING? THAT'S AT LEAST 2,500, RIGHT? NO, I KNOW. TWO. YEAH. 2000. YEAH. SO THEN THAT WOULD FILL MY DEFICIT OF $737 13 CENTS BASED ON THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED. OKAY. DAVID? SO I DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY OF WHY THE MAYOR HAS A LARGER BUDGET THAN THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BUT THERE'S AN EXTRA REGULAR CONFERENCE. THE REASON I I SAY THAT IS I THINK IF WE DO COME UP WITH A POT BEYOND BASICALLY M WHAT MML WILL COST, WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO PROBABLY INCREASE IN IN THE FUTURE, I AM TOTALLY OKAY WITH THE IDEA THAT THE MAYOR GETS TO SAY, HEY, SOME OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE ON BOARDS AND WHATEVER, AND WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THAT BECAUSE THAT PROVIDES THE TOWN GREATER STANDING IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS. AND SO LET THAT BE TRANSFERRABLE. I'M PERSONALLY OKAY WITH THAT HAPPENING AT THE INDIVIDUAL LEVEL, BUT I THINK THAT MOSTLY BECOMES, ARE YOU GOING TO THIS CONFERENCE OR NOT? BECAUSE IT, IT'S CURRENTLY BUDGETED TO, TO BE THE ONE THING YOU CAN AFFORD. AND SO YOU COULD NOT GO TO THAT AND GO TO A MUCH CHEAPER ONE THAT'S NEARBY. UM, SO I'M OKAY WITH THE IDEA OF US, UH, TRADING. I'M NOT SURE THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THAT OUTSIDE OF THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE YOU'RE ONE PERSON AND CAN SAY, THIS IS IN BENEFIT OF THE TOWN. WHEN IT BECOMES BETWEEN US, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE START GETTING TO A POINT WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE DOING ALL THESE DIFFERENT THINGS? YEAH. AND NOW IT'S ABOUT CURING FAVOR AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. NO, I HEAR YOU. I MEAN, RIGHT. GO AHEAD. JUST MAKE SURE. COUNCILOR TANZI, YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT SHOULDN'T BE AN ISSUE OF ASKING A FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBER, BUT, BUT WHAT'S THE PRIORITY FOR THE NEXT PERSON BASED IF THEY'RE ON A ORGANIZATION, IF THEY'RE ON THE BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? OR, I'M SAYING THE FIRST ASK SHOULD BE THE MAYOR. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE HE HAS, OR HE OR SHE HAS AN EXTRA BUDGET THAT AT LEAST AS FAR AS I CAN TELL, DOESN'T SEEM TO AUTOMATICALLY BE EATEN UP. WHEREAS THE DEFAULT OF EVERYONE GOES TO MML AUTOMATICALLY EATS UP HOURS. SO THERE'S ONLY REALLY MONEY AVAILABLE IF PEOPLE AREN'T DOING THAT. AND SO I AM, WE CAN COME UP WITH A MECHANISM OF HOW YOU DEAL WITH ALL OF THAT. I THINK THE EASIEST ONE TO DEAL WITH IS THE MAYOR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE HE CAN JUST SAY, I THINK THIS IS GOOD FOR THE TOWN. AND THEN, UM, SAY, I'M, I'M GONNA FUND THAT BECAUSE WE WANT OUR, OUR, OUR ELECTED LEADERS TO BE ON BOARDS, ET CETERA. UM, AND AFTER THAT, I'M NOT TOTALLY SURE. I THINK INFORMALLY IT MOSTLY WORKS. THE QUESTION IS MORE IF WE DON'T CONTINUE TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET, BUT MORE AND MORE, LIKE IF WE'RE ALL MEMBERS OF BOARDS, RIGHT, WHAT HAPPENS? WELL, NOW IT'S ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHO'S, WHO'S BUDDY BUDDIES WITH WHOM. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE CAUTION. WE'RE NOT THERE YET. BUT I THINK THE EASIEST PROBLEM TO SOLVE IS, IS THE MAYOR'S BUDGET. IF THERE, IF IT'S THERE, I THINK THAT'S ENTIRELY YOUR DISCRETION. 'CAUSE SOME OF THE JOB IS TO SAY WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE TOWN, RATHER THAN WHO DO I GIVE MY MONEY TO AS COUNCIL MEMBER OF WARD FOR, YEAH. SORRY. I THOUGHT WE WERE THERE AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MEETING WAS, WAS TO JUST, YEAH. TO TO CAJOLE EACH OTHER INDIVIDUALLY FOR MONEY, WHICH IS UGLY, MAYBE UGLY, BUT I THOUGHT THAT'S, I THOUGHT THAT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE POLICY WE ADOPTED WAS KIND OF LIKE, GO TO YOUR COLLEAGUES AND LOOK FOR MONEY. NO, GO AHEAD. COUNCILMAN PR. UM, NO. NO. I DON'T THINK IT WAS, UM, AND I, I THINK THAT, AND NOT TO SAY IN A GOOD OR BAD WAY, BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENT VALUE PLACE ON SOME OF THESE CONFERENCES. LIKE, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU PLACE AS MUCH VALUE ON, UM, THE CONFERENCES OR MAYBE EVEN LIKE SOME OF THAT. MAYBE, MAYBE YOU DON'T GLEAN AS MUCH FROM IT. I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER, WADE, AND EVEN MYSELF, UM, AND PROBABLY MAYBE A COUPLE OTHERS, UM, IT'S A [02:10:01] PLACE TO NETWORK TO DISCUSS ISSUES, TO FIND, UM, KIND OF LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S JUST A COMMUNITY. SO WHEN WE HAVE ISSUES, WHEN WE HAVE THINGS THAT WE WANNA DO, WHEN WE HAVE GRANTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE LIKE COMPOST WITH EDMUNDSTON, LIKE THOSE KIND OF RELATIONSHIPS GET BUILT, YOU KNOW, AT PLACES LIKE THIS. AND SO, UM, I THINK IN THE PAST TOO, IT WAS LIKE, YEAH, WE ALL DO SUMMER AND THEN FALL. IT WAS AN EXPECTATION THAT ONLY THE MAYOR WENT TO FALL, RIGHT? SO I KNOW THAT, THAT FIRST TIME, UM, AT THE TIME, I THINK IT WAS VICE MAYOR , AND SHE PAID OUT OF POCKET TO GO TO FALL, MML. UM, BUT THEN AFTER THAT, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE WHERE WE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? THERE IS VALUE IN THIS. AND I THINK IT'S OKAY FOR US TO, TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW. OUR BUDGET WOULDN'T EVEN ALLOW US TO DO SUMMER IN FALL. AND IT'S NOT TO SAY WE ARE DOING, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE EVEN JUST MML, LIKE NOT EVEN NLC, JUST MML YOU OTHER STUFF, YOU'RE GONNA DO BOTH AND YOU'RE WHAT? NO, THE, I WENT OVER BY $737. OKAY. SO, OKAY. NOT SUPER. SO, AND I THINK IN THE PAST TOO, WHEN WE DID FALL MML, IT WAS AT THE HOTEL. SO WE ARE, WE DON'T NEED A ROOM. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS PAY FOR REGISTRATION. SO WE ALWAYS LOOK FOR WAYS TO SAVE, UM, TO NOT OCCUR THE COST. UM, AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE HAVE EVEN DONE THAT WITH CAMBRIDGE, WHERE THEY JUST DROVE OUT FOR THE DAY AND THEN CAME BACK. RIGHT. UM, BUT AGAIN, PART OF IT IS THE NETWORKING PART OF IT IS THAT, UM, SPENDING TIME WITH OTHER, UM, FOLKS AND BEING ABLE TO HAVE THAT CAMARADERIE AND BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. SO I THINK RIGHT NOW, THAT'S FINE. WE CAN THINK OF IT THIS WAY AND JUST KIND OF CAJOLING EACH OTHER. BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO CONSIDER IF WE PUT VALUE IN THIS TYPE OF, IN THE TRAINING AND IN, IN THE ABILITY TO NETWORK AND CREATE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS, UM, IF IT NEEDS TO STAY THAT, THAT AMOUNT. 'CAUSE IT MAY BE AN UP TO RIGHT. 20,000. AND I THINK MAYOR FOR YOURS, ESPECIALLY 5,000, WE NEED YOU TO BE OUT THERE. YEAH. AT THE END OF THE DAY. RIGHT. WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANNA BE THERE. SOMETIMES WE'RE GONNA JUST NEED YOU TO BE OUT THERE BECAUSE YOU ARE THE ONE WHO REPRESENTS OUR TOWN. UM, AND IF IT'S NOT GONNA BE YOU, I MEAN, OF COURSE IT'S FINE FOR YOU TO SEND SOMEONE ELSE, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT CHEVROLET IS REPRESENTED WHEREVER REPRESENTED IS REPRESENTATION IS REQUESTED. UH, OKAY. NO, I HEAR YOU. SO I THINK SEND, UH, MS. RICHARDS AND MYSELF, ME AN EMAIL IF YOU HAVE A HOLD TO PLUG. UM, AND, UM, WE WILL KEEP MS. RICHARDS AND MR. GALLOWAY IN THE LOOP. UM, WE STILL NEED TO TALK ABOUT CHICAGO, MR. GALLOWAY. UM, BUT YES, I, THIS HAS BEEN HELPFUL ALSO. 'CAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT OCEAN CITY, JUNE BASICALLY IS $2,500 THAT, THAT NEVER CRYSTALLIZED IN MY MIND. THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. BUT IT IS WHAT WE HAVE. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUT THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO PROVIDE ON, UH, THE ELECTED OFFICIALS BUDGETS? AND THEN COUNSEL? I'LL PROBABLY NEED A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING. YES. AND I'M NOT GONNA TAKE THREE MINUTES, BUT NAME AWARD, LELA AZI, WARD ONE GETTING THERE. SO, UM, UM, MML IS AN ESSENTIAL OPPORTUNITY AND I JUST WANT FOR COMMUNITY TO HEAR THAT. I DON'T THINK I MISSED ONE, UM, IN ALL MY TIME AS A COUNCIL MEMBER AND AS MAYOR. UM, SO THE, THE BUDGET REALLY NEEDS TO COVER THAT FROM THERE. UM, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S THE NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITIES, THE IDEA OF WHEN YOU HAVE TO STEP OUTSIDE OF MARYLAND, I I AM NOT AS SUPPORTIVE OF THAT WITHIN A BUDGET. I THINK THAT THAT'S A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND I UNDER, I JUST SAY THAT MY EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN TO TURN TO THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR. AND THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR ALWAYS HAD SOME FLEXIBILITY TO SUPPORT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND, UM, AND TO NOT MAKE IT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN'T GO TO SOMETHING. UM, BUT MAYBE JUST TO LIMIT THAT, YOU CAN GO TO TWO THINGS AND IT HAS TO BE THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME MONEY AVAILABLE SOMEWHERE IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. BUT, UM, PLEASE, FOR COMMUNITY WHO MIGHT BE LISTENING, MML IS IS NOT ONLY ESSENTIAL FOR THE NETWORKING, BUT AT LEAST FROM MY EXPERIENCE, IT WAS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE YOU COULD BRING YOUR FAMILIES IF THEY WERE ABLE TO JOIN. AND I KNOW MY, MY HUSBAND AND MY DAUGHTER ENJOYED JUST BEING OUT IN NATURE DURING THAT TIME, AND IT WAS JUST A LITTLE BIT OF RESPITE FOR THEM TO HAVE FUN ENOUGH TO CONNECT, UM, IN THE EVENING OR FOR BREAKFAST OR THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THAT SORT OF COMRADERY, UM, IS, IS REALLY CRITICAL. SO, UM, THANK YOU FOR THOSE WHO ARE LISTENING. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S HELPFUL. OKAY, COUNSEL, I WANNA SPEAK TO THE, UH, SORRY. GOTTA DO IT AS [02:15:01] A NEW, UM, UM, ELECTED OFFICIAL. THE CLASS, WE, I DON'T THINK WE SPOKE ABOUT THE CLASSES. THE CLASSES ARE, WERE ESSENTIAL FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND. I'VE DONE BUDGET INVESTMENT BANKING BEFORE, BUT A MUNICIPALITY'S A TOTAL DIFFERENT ANIMAL TO TRAFFIC, COLEMAN DEVICES TO THAT. AND I, EVEN WHEN COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI FIRST WENT OUT AND I SAID, HEY, GET IT DONE, BE AGGRESSIVE ABOUT IT. SO IT'S, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, AND COUNCIL MEMBER FRY MENTIONED THE NETWORKING IS DEFINITELY IMPORTANT, BUT THERE ARE ACTUAL CLASSES THAT IF I DID NOT HAVE, I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO MY JOB TO WHATEVER JUDGE YOU WANNA SAY TO THE, TO THE ABILITY, I'VE DONE IT SO FAR. SO IT'S JUST NOT OUT THERE. JUST GOING TO NETWORKING EVENTS. THERE IS DEFINITELY CLASSES THAT REALLY, UM, HELP US DO OUR JOB TO MAKE SHELBY WHAT IT IS. UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, YOU HAVE ANOTHER POINT ON THIS? NO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO EXTEND OUR MEETING FOR NO MORE THAN 30 MINUTES. BLESS YOU. UH, IS THERE A SECOND TO COUNCIL MEMBER FRY'S MOTION? SECOND. IT HAS BEEN MOTIONED AND SECONDED BY COUNT, UH, BY FRY, AND THEN TANZI TO EXTEND THE MEETING BY 30 MINUTES. IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED SAY NO. UH, ANY OPPOSED? COUNCIL MEMBER BRINER, WE ARE GOING TO COUNT YOUR VOTE IN THE AFFIRMATIVE IT PASSES FOR, YES. SORRY. I'M AN I. YOU'RE AN I. YES, I WAS GUESSING SO, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. UH, 1, 2, 3, 4, NOTHING. THE MOTION PASSES. THE MEETING IS EXTENDED UNTIL 11:00 PM WE ARE ON TO ITEM NINE, AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT CHIEF MORRIS, WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. YES, SIR. UH, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. COUNSEL, YOU HAVE AN ISSUED PAPER BEFORE YOU WITH REGARDS TO A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR AUTOMATED TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. OUR AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM HAS BEEN RUNNING FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, WELL BEFORE I GOT HERE, BUT I DO WANT TO GIVE THE MAYOR AND COUNSEL AN OVERVIEW FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE AS IT RELATES TO THE EFFICIENCY AND EFFECTIVENESS OF THIS PROGRAM. I BELIEVE MS. RICHARDS HAS A POWERPOINT. IF SHE CAN BRING IT UP, WE'LL SHARE IT. YOUR NEXT SLIDE, THE DOCUMENTS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SEE THE SPEED MONITORING SYSTEM REPORT ARE REPORTS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED UNDER COMMAR TO THE MARYLAND POLICE TRAINING AND STANDARDS COMMISSION EVERY OCTOBER. THIS IS PAGE THREE OF THAT REPORT. PART OF THIS REPORT IS TO SHOW THAT THE SPEED MONITORING SYSTEM IS BEING OPERATED PROPERLY. THAT THE AGENCIES THAT ARE ENGAGED IN UTIL USING AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT OR DOCUMENTING THE REVENUES AND THAT THEY'RE WORKING COOPERATIVELY WITH THE PROVIDERS, AS WELL AS USING THE REVENUE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS, AGAIN, REQUIRED BY LAW. THIS IS THE 2020 REPORT THAT WAS DONE. IT WOULD'VE BEEN DONE IN OCTOBER OF 21. THEY'RE BASED ON FISCAL YEARS. IT SHOWS THE TOTAL REVENUE GENERATED OF JUST A LITTLE OVER $700. THIS WAS THE NO $770 TOTAL. GE THIS, THE CAMERA THAT WAS OPERATING AT THIS TIME WAS THE ONE ON CHEVROLET AVENUE. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. IT GETS WORSE, MR. MAYOR. AND, AND THAT'S WHY I'M PROVIDING THIS SO THAT YOU SEE A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE OF THIS. THIS IS THE, UH, 20 20 21. IT SHOWS A NET LOSS TO THE TOWN OF $37,000. $337,370. TOTAL GROSS REVENUE WAS 15,000. THE EXPENDITURES WERE 4,400. THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF PAYMENTS TO THE CONTRACT OVER 52,000. YOU DO THE MATH, THAT'S A LOSS OF 37,000. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS FY 22. TOTAL GROSS REVENUE WAS 16,000. THE COST OF THE PROGRAM WAS 52,000. THE CAMERA THAT WAS BEING RENTED AND PAID TO THE VENDOR WAS $4,400 [02:20:01] A MONTH FOR A LOSS OF REVENUE OF $36,000. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS FY 23, WHICH WOULD'VE STARTED IN JULY OF JULY 1ST, 2022, SHOWS A NET LOSS OF $47,880 OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM. THE REASON I'M SHOWING YOU THIS IS BECAUSE WHAT THE TOWN WAS TOLD WAS THAT THIS WAS OPERATING UNDER A COST NEUTRAL PROGRAM. NOW, I'M NOT A MATHEMATICIAN BY COUNCIL MEMBER TANSEY, BUT I CAN ADD AND SUBTRACT PRETTY WELL, AND THAT DOES NOT TRANSLATE TO COST NEUTRAL. SO, WORKING WITH MR. GALLOWAY, WHEN I GOT HERE AND TAKING A LOOK AT THESE REPORTS AND WORKING WITH THE MERRILL POLICE TRAINING STANDARDS COMMISSION TO OBTAIN THIS DATA, WE ELIMINATED ONE OF THE CONTRACTS WITH ONE OF, WITH THE VENDOR THAT WAS PROVIDING THIS SERVICE AT A QUOTE UNQUOTE COST NEUTRAL FACTOR TO THE TOWN. SO THAT THAT CAMERA ON CHEVROLET AVENUE IN THAT CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED IN FALL OF 2023. AND SUBSEQUENT TO THAT TERMINATION, WE STILL HAD A NET LOSS OF $10,600. WE ALSO INITIATED A NEW CONTRACT WITH A NEW VENDOR. AND THAT ADDED CAM, WHILE WE ELIMINATED THE CAMERA ON CHEVROLET AVENUE, WE ADDED THE CAMERAS ON ROUTE 2 0 2 AT THE STRONG REQUEST OF MAYOR COUNCIL. AND THAT NETTED A REVENUE OF $9,501 TO THE POSITIVE. SO WE WERE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE'LL MOVE TO THE FY 25, WHICH WAS THE LATEST REVENUE, AND THAT SHOWED THAT WE NETTED A REVENUE OF $585,653. AND WE'RE WELL ON TRACK TO EXCEED, TO EXCEED THAT THIS YEAR. NOW, REVENUE NOTWITHSTANDING, YOU'VE HEARD ME REPEATEDLY SAY AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT IS ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY. I STAND BY THAT. BUT WITH THAT SAID, WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT A RE, THAT A REVIEW OF THE HISTORICAL DATA THAT WE SHOWED YOU, UH, REVEALS EITHER THE EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY, OR LACK THEREOF, THE, OF THE PROGRAM MANAGEMENT. SO, UH, SINCE JULY OF 2023, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO TURN THIS AROUND WITH THE ASSISTANCE OF MR. GALLOWAY AND THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN, UH, MOVING FORWARD IN, IN ESTABLISHING A TRULY EFFECTIVE AND EFFICIENT AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM. NOW ONTO TO THE RFP, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE. GO BACK TO THE FIRST SLIDE. GEE, THESE ARE DAYTIME PHOTOS OF THE USE OF THE AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT. GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE NIGHTTIME VISION. WE CANNOT, WE ARE, WE ARE NOT VALIDATING THESE CITATIONS BECAUSE IN ORDER TO VALIDATE THESE CITATIONS, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PROVE THAT IT'S THE TAG THE CAR AND IDENTIFYING INFORMATION. SO I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO MR. BECKER. CORPORAL BECKER IS OUR PROGRAM MANAGER FOR THE AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT. THESE ARE THE IMAGES THAT HE'S SEEING, AND THIS IS THE REASON WHY WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH RFP. THANK YOU. SO, SO TOUCHING ON THAT SLIDE THERE, THE ONE THAT'S, UH, LABELED LIGHT COLORED VEHICLES. THERE ARE TIMES, EVEN AT NIGHTTIME WITH OUR, UH, WITH THE IMAGING, IF IT'S A LIGHT COLORED VEHICLE, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IN THE LOWER PORTION, THOSE UPPER PART, UH, IT'S ALL THE SAME IMAGES, UH, JUST TAKING MOMENTS APART. AND THE, THE CURRENT SYSTEM USES FILTERS, THE UPPER FILTERS, YOU SEE WHAT WE GET. AND THEN THE LOWER FILTERS, THAT'S THE SAME VEHICLE, BUT IT, IT LIGHTENS UP. SO WITH A LIGHTENED VEHICLE OR A LIGHT COLORED VEHICLE, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SOME IDENTIFICATIONS. GISELLE, IF YOU WANT TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, THAT'S A NIGHTTIME IMAGE WITH A DARK COLORED VEHICLE AND AN OUT OF STATE TAG. THAT TAG IS A LOUISIANA TAG. I DON'T KNOW THAT, I CAN'T TESTIFY TO THAT, BUT THE AI THAT THE SYSTEM USES WILL ISSUE A VIOLATION FOR THAT TAG [02:25:01] AND THAT VEHICLE. BUT I REJECT THAT. I WILL NOT TAKE THAT TO COURT 'CAUSE I CANNOT GO INTO COURT AND SAY, I RECOGNIZE THAT TO BE A LOUISIANA TAG ON SAID VEHICLE. NEXT SLIDE, AGAIN, IS AN OUT OF STATE TAG. THAT'S A GEORGIA TAG ON A VEHICLE. AGAIN, THE VENDOR ISSUES IT. WE PAY A FEE TO THE VENDOR TO ISSUE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE CONTRACT'S WRITTEN. AS SOON AS THEY RUN A TAG, THEY COLLECT A FEE. BUT THAT IS NOTHING I CAN USE AND EVER WILL GO TO IN COURT. I REJECT THOSE, AND THEY NEVER, THEY NEVER GET ISSUED OUT, WHICH IS, THEY'LL GO TO THE LAST SLIDE, PLEASE. THAT'S A DARK COLORED VEHICLE WITH A MARYLAND TAG AG. AND WE HAVE A COUPLE LOCATIONS HERE IN C THAT THE WAY THE ROADS ARE ILLUMINATED, OUR CURRENT VENDOR, THIS IS THE IMAGING WE GET AT NIGHT, MORE TIMES THAN NOT A LIGHTER COLORED VEHICLE I CAN IDENTIFY. BUT IF IT'S A DARKER COLORED VEHICLE, IF IT'S A CLOUDY NIGHT, IF THERE'S INCLEMENT WEATHER, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE UP AGAINST, WHERE WE'RE GETTING ASSIGNED TO THOSE, THERE'S A FEE ATTACHED TO THAT ASSIGNMENT THAT THEY'RE SUBSEQUENTLY BEING REJECTED ON OUR END AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO, UH, SEEK REVENUE FROM THEM, UH, NOR, UH, YOU KNOW, GO TO COURT OR IN FACT TAKE ANY ENFORCEMENT ACTION. SO IF, IF THIS PERSON DRIVES THROUGH ON A REGULAR, AND SOME OF THESE TAGS DO, UM, PARTICULARLY IF THEY'RE OUT OF STATE TAGS, UM, THEY DRIVE THROUGH ON THE REGULAR, THEY'RE NOT GETTING ATED MORE, UH, CITATIONS MORE TIMES THAN NOT. SO WE'RE NOT HAVING THE ENFORCEMENT SAFETY ASPECT THAT WE SHOULD BE HAVING HERE IN CHEVROLET. THANK YOU, CHRIS. THE BOTTOM LINE IS AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT IS DESIGNED TO MODIFY DRIVER BEHAVIOR, BUT WE ARE DISMISSING THOUSANDS OF CITATIONS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE CONTRACT IS WRITTEN. BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY CHANGED THE LAW IN 2014. WE PAY A LOOKUP FEE, AN ADMIN FEE FOR EVERY CITATION THAT THEY SEND TO US THAT THEY LOOK UP WHEN WE CAN'T COLLECT ON THOSE, WHERE IT'S PUTTING US INTO THE NEGATIVE. SO EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GENERATING REVENUE, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE EFFICIENCY AND THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE PROGRAM. AND WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS ACTUALLY MODIFYING DRIVER BEHAVIOR WHEN WE HAVE TO DISMISS CITATIONS OR REJECT CITATIONS BECAUSE WE CAN'T LEGITIMATELY ISSUE THEM AND THEN BE ABLE TO TESTIFY IN COURT. IT'S A LOST REVENUE, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT DOESN'T MODIFY THE DRIVER BEHAVIOR. HENCE THE REASON WE'VE LOOKED AT THE TECHNOLOGY OF OTHER VENDORS. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE BETTER PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET AND, BUT WE WANT THIS TO GO OUT TO A COMPETITIVE BID AND LET THOSE PROVIDERS OF THIS AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT TECHNOLOGY DEMONSTRATE TO US THAT THEY HAVE BETTER TECHNOLOGY, PARTICULARLY IN THESE LOW-LIGHT CONDITIONS. SO, SO MR. MAYORAL, WE'RE SEEKING TONIGHT IS FOR THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP. WE HAVE AN RFP THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY. HE'S REVIEWED IT FOR LEGAL SUFFICIENCY AND HE'S SATISFIED. IT IS PREPARED AND READY TO GO. MR. GALLOWAY, I THINK THIS IS MORE OR LESS A NOTIFICATION TO YOU, ALTHOUGH WE, WE ARE GONNA PUT IT OUT, UM, AND THEN MAKE A FORMAL RECOMMENDATION, BUT JUST LETTING YOU ALL KNOW THAT YEAH, YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT THE RFP. YEAH. AND THEN LET US KNOW IN A MONTH OR TWO WHAT, WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS, WHAT THE PROPOSALS ARE. YEAH, YEAH. WHO'S, WHO'S RESPONDED INTO WHAT, UH, MR. TANZI, YOU HAVE A COMMENT. UM, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT BACKGROUND. ESPECIALLY THE 2014 CHANGE. THAT MEANS THE, THE BILL HAPPENS ANYWAY, EVEN IF WHAT WE GET IS USELESS, WHICH IS FRUSTRATING. UM, I JUST HOPE THAT WHEN WE GET COMPETING BIDS, SOME OF IT IS TECHNOLOGY AND I'M HOPING THERE ARE DIFFERENT PRICING STRUCTURES. 'CAUSE EVEN THE, THE BIGGEST NUMBER WE HAD WAS SOMETHING LIKE A THIRD OF THE TOTAL REVENUE. I MEAN, IT SEEMS LIKE THE EASIEST WAY TO MAKE MONEY IS START ONE OF THESE COMPANIES BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING TWO THIRDS OF, OF THE, THE REVENUE, IT SEEMS, SEEMS WILD TO ME. SO, UH, MR. TAN OR COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI, PART OF THAT IS DRIVEN, KEEP IN MIND IF INDIVIDUALS THAT RECEIVE THE CITATIONS [02:30:01] DON'T PAY 'EM, WE ARE PAYING UPFRONT ANYWAY. AND, UH, OUR LAST, LAST MONTH WE RECEIVED OUR SHARE WAS $161,000 FOR ONE MONTH. THERE WAS AN EXORBITANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT PAID THE CITATIONS. WHAT WE FIND IS THAT OUT OF STATE, THERE'S NO REPERCUSSIONS BECAUSE THERE'S NO RECIPROCITY WITHOUT OF STATE WITH REGARDS TO REGISTRATION. SO WHEREAS YOUR TAG, IF IT'S A MARYLAND TAG, WOULD BE FLAGGED IF YOU DON'T PAY THE CITATION. NOW WE HAVE UP TO THREE YEAR REGISTRATIONS. SO UNTIL SOMEONE APPROACHES THAT THREE YEAR MARK, THEY JUST DISREGARD THE CITATIONS. AND WE, WE HAVE HAD INDIVIDUALS COME HERE AND PAID CITATIONS, 5, 6, 7, 8 CITATIONS THAT THEY'VE ACCUMULATED, AND THEN THEY GO FROM HERE TO THE NEXT JURISDICTION, TO THE NEXT JURISDICTION TO THE NEXT JURISDICTION, TRYING TO CLEAR THE FLAGS SO THAT THEY CAN GET THEIR VEHICLES REGISTERED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF WHAT WE DEAL WITH. UH, WHAT WHERE WE'VE SEEN THE INCREASE OVER TIME IS BECAUSE AS THE PROGRAM, THE LONGER THE PROGRAM RUNS, UH, THE, THE MORE CITATIONS ARE IN QUEUE AND THE MORE PEOPLE ARE PAYING 'EM. SO IT IS A FLUCTUATING SCALE, BUT I'VE SENSED YOUR FRUSTRATION AND WE FEEL IT. LIKEWISE. SO YOU SP SPOKE EARLIER ABOUT LICENSE PLATE READERS. UM, OBVIOUSLY THOSE MUST LOOK UP PEOPLE WITH OPEN WARRANTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT DOES IT ALSO TAG PEOPLE WITH UNPAID CITATIONS THAT WE DO CONSIDER LEGITIMATE? SINCE YOU SAID SOME OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE PASSED THROUGH. I MEAN, THIS IS LANDOVER, RIGHT? SO THIS IS DEFINITELY OUR, OUR CARS ARE ON IT. OUR, OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT CARS ARE ON IT. DO THEY GO, OH, LOUISIANA PLATE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. YOU HAVE FIVE UNPAID CITATIONS THAT I CAN VERIFY. IS THAT SOMETHING WE, WE CATCH? 'CAUSE THAT DETERS BEHAVIOR, IF YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S REALISTIC. YEAH. THE LPRS ARE DESIGNED TO, THE LPRS ARE DESIGNED TO IDENTIFY VEHICLES WANTED FOR SOMETHING. STOLEN VEHICLES, CARJACKED VEHICLES, UH, OF THAT NATURE. NOT FLAGGED, NOT FLAGGED TAGS FOR PARKING VIOLATIONS OR AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT VIOLATIONS OR TOLL VIOLATIONS. THE, UH, BUT WE, UH, WE DO HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO, BECAUSE THERE, IT'S AN OUT-OF-STATE DRIVER AND AN OUT-OF-STATE TAG HAS BEEN THROUGH THE COLUMBIA PARK AUTOMATED FORCEMENT CAMERA LAST COUNT OVER 160 TIMES. AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO TO COLLECT ON IT. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS LOOKING AT LEGISLATION THIS YEAR THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO IMPOUND CARS THAT HAVE OUTSTANDING, UH, VIOLATIONS AS WELL AS, UH, DEVELOPING RECIPROCITY WITH STATES, PRIMARILY VIRGINIA AND DC THAT, UH, SO THAT WE CAN TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTION. BUT THAT'S THAT REST WITH OUR GENERAL ASSEMBLY. I ALL RIGHT. IT IS 10 44. IS THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUT ON THE AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT CHANGE OR THE, THE INTENTION TO ISSUE AN RFP? UM, IT, IT'S MORE QUESTION NAME AND IT'S MORE QUESTION. LAYLA ZI, WARD ONE, UM, UH, CHIEF, IF, IF THERE IS, AND I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A WAY, I BELIEVE IN THE PAST, THE IDEA WAS TO TRY TO LAYER IN A CAMERA FOR CHEVROLET AVENUE WITH THE, THE, UM, THE DEAL THAT YOU'LL BE MAKING ON OTHER THINGS. BECAUSE CHEVROLET AVENUE ISN'T, HAS NEVER BEEN TO CREATE A REVENUE, IT'S BEEN TO PROVIDE THAT, UM, THAT ENFORCEMENT SO THAT PEOPLE SLOW DOWN. UM, BUT TO SEE IF THE, IF ONE OF THESE AUTOMATED CAMERA PROVIDERS WOULD ALSO SUPPORT, UM, HAVING A CAMERA PLACED OR CAMERAS PLACED ON CH AVENUE, I KNOW IN THE PAST THAT THAT HAD BEEN DONE AND THE IDEA WAS THAT THAT WAS SUCCESSFUL WITHIN THERE. YOUR NUMBERS ARE SHOWING, UM, DIFFERENTLY. BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST CURIOUS ABOUT, UM, IF YOU'VE THOUGHT OF THAT. SO THE RFP RE WOULD, PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE RFP WOULD BE TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE AUTOMATED ENFORCEMENT IN THERE AREAS IN BOTH THE SCHOOL ZONES AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AS THE DATA DICTATES. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. UM, OKAY, WE'RE GONNA MOVE ON THEN. UH, TOWN ADMINISTRATORS UPDATE IS ITEM 11. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL IN THE TOWN. I'LL BE BRIEF HERE THIS [02:35:01] EVENING. JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU ALL ANOTHER REMINDER ABOUT THE PORT TOWN SECTOR PLAN. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED, UM, ON MAY 11TH, 2026 AT, AT 6:00 PM AT THE WAYNE CURRY ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING. UM, JUST WANTED TO LET MAYOR AND COUNCIL KNOW THAT NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN MADE TO ADA AND THE COUNTY PUBLIC WORKS, UH, DEPARTMENT REGARDING THE CLOSURE OF CHEVROLET AVENUE FOR CHEVROLET DAY. UH, THAT NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN MADE. NOW I HAVE NOT RECEIVED A RESPONSE FROM EITHER ORGANIZATION, BUT NOTIFICATION HAS BEEN MADE. SO I'LL FOLLOW UP TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO GET A RESPONSE. MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UH, JUST WANNA LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT OUR VENDOR HAS INDICATED THAT FOR PHOTOS, UH, THAT HE CAN BE AVAILABLE ON MONDAY EVENING OR WEDNESDAY EVENING AFTER 4:00 PM WEDNESDAY WOULD BE PREFERABLE. UM, AND THAT IS NEXT WEDNESDAY, SPRING BREAK. SPRING BREAK. OKAY. WELL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'LL DO, UH, WE WILL RECOMMEND OTHER DATES. HOW ABOUT THAT? EXCELLENT. OKAY. . YEAH, I MEAN, I DO WANT, I REALLY DO WANNA MOVE FORWARD ON THIS. YEAH. UM, DAVID AND JOHN HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER 10 MONTHS AND THEY HAVEN'T GOTTEN THEIR PICTURES TAKEN YET. YEP. UH, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW AS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, FISCAL YEAR 26 AUDIT, I'VE SIGNED THE ENGAGEMENT LETTER, UH, TO WORK WITH LINDSAY AND ASSOCIATES. UH, SO WE WILL BEGIN THE AUDIT PROCESS SOON. EXCELLENT. AND AS IT, AS IT WAS STATED EARLIER, THE EXPUNGEMENT AND FAIR WAS A COMPLETE SUCCESS. I DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK TOWN STAFF, THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR ALL THEIR ASSISTANCE. UM, AS IT RELATES TO THAT, WE HAD OVER 120 INDIVIDUALS THAT RECEIVED SERVICES ON THAT DAY, WHICH, UM, YOU KNOW, IT, WE, WE MADE A HUGE IMPACT IN PEOPLE'S LIVES THAT DAY. SO, UM, AND, UH, THANK YOU FORMER MAYOR AZI AS WELL FOR YOUR ASSISTANCE ON THAT DAY. JUST TO PROVIDE A BRIEF UPDATE ON CHEV EAST PARK. UM, I'VE REQUESTED FOR THE CLEAN WATER PARTNERSHIP TO ATTEND THE APRIL WORK SESSION, BUT YOU KNOW, AS IT STATES IN HERE, THE GREEN FOREVER, THE CONTRACTOR OF THE CLEAN WATER PARTNERSHIP HAS DEVELOPED A BACKLOG OF WORK, BUT SUBMITTED A PLANTING LIST ON FRIDAY, MARCH THE 20TH. IT'S GOING THROUGH THE REVIEW PROCESS AND, UM, HAS TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVALS AND AFTER IT GETS APPROVED, UM, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE ME MORE INFORMATION. SO WHEN I GET THOSE, WHEN I GET THAT INFORMATION, I'LL FORWARD IT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. BUT, UM, WE'VE ASKED THEM TO COME TO THE APRIL WORK SESSION ALSO AT THE CHEVROLET EAST PARK. I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH COUNCIL MEMBER FRY ON, UH, THE DEMOLITION OF THE HOUSE AND, UH, GETTING UPDATES ON THAT. SO, UH, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH PARK AND PLAN AS IT RELATES TO THAT AS WELL. UM, NOW THERE WILL BE A-W-S-S-C WATER SHUT DOWN. UM, I'LL LET DIRECTOR BRAMAN, IF YOU WANT TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, PLEASE DO. YEAH, SURE. ACTUALLY, UM, THIS IS A COMPLICATION DUE TO THIS PROJECT, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY NOT, UM, ON THE USUAL SUSPECT. WSSC HAS A VALVE THAT APPARENTLY DOESN'T WORK. AND WE HAVE THE, WE HAD A PHANTOM METER THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT, BUT THE STR INFRASTRUCTURE TIED TO THAT METER, UM, NEEDS TO BE REMOVED OR DEALT WITH. AND SO I'VE ASKED WSC TO HELP US OUT WITH THAT. ACTUALLY SAVING US A COST FROM, FROM A A KELLER SUB UH, CONTRACTOR DOING THAT. AND SO THEY HAVE TO DO A TRIAL SHUTDOWN. AND I BELIEVE THIS IS TO SEE IF THEIR VALVE, UH, ACTUALLY WORKS. UM, AND THEN IF IT DOES ACTUALLY WORK, MAYBE THAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM. I BELIEVE AFTER THAT THEY MAY BE COMING BACK FOR ANOTHER SHUTDOWN. THIS WILL AFFECT TOWN CAMPUS AND APPROXIMATELY 27, UH, RESIDENTS. UM, WS TO C WILL BE UH, UH, UH, NOTIFYING THEM. I'M ASKING FOR INFORMATION FOR A NEWS AND ANNOUNCEMENT. UM, IT COULD BE A FEW MINUTES OR IT COULD BE UP TO THREE HOURS. COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM FOUR AND SIX. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SHUTDOWN? I THINK THESE ARE YOUR RESIDENTS. I WILL THERE BE A TEXT ALERT SENT BOTH WHEN IT'S COME IN AND SORT OF WITH UPDATES SO THAT PEOPLE CAN FOLLOW ALONG AND HAVE A EXPECTATION OF WHEN IT WOULD BE THAT, WHEN IT WOULD BE DONE. UM, I DON'T BELIEVE WSSC CAN PROVIDE THAT. UM, THEY UH, [02:40:01] I ASKED THEM THE DURATION. THEY SAID IT COULD BE A FEW MINUTES OR WE'RE UP TO THREE HOURS. UM, SO I THINK WE'VE ASKED FOR IT BETWEEN FIVE AND 8:00 PM UH, AND I BELIEVE IT'S GONNA BE LOCATED RIGHT IN THIS AREA. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THE NOTIFICATION THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT TO ON AND AND TRACK THAT AND ANNOUNCE THAT THAT QUICKLY. UM, BUT I WILL ASK THE C-F-W-S-S-C CAN DO MORE, BUT I THINK THIS IS A ROUTINE, UM, THING FOR THEM. BUT IT ISN'T NECESSARILY FOR US IN OUR RESIDENTS. BUT WE COULD STILL SEND OUT AS A TOWN AN ANNOUNCEMENT THAT THIS IS COMING AND IT COULD BE UP TO THREE HOURS. SO KEEP SOME, YOU KNOW, FILL UP A, A GALLON OF WATER OR WHATEVER. RIGHT. WE, WE PLAN ON DOING A NEWS ANNOUNCEMENT. YEP. DON'T START YOUR SHOWER AT THAT O'CLOCK NOT AT 4 59. EXACTLY. UNLESS IT'S A NAVY SHERIFF COUNCIL MEMBERS, ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR? ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 12. COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, DO YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES ON CHEVROLET STATION APARTMENTS? UM, YES. APRIL 24TH. I BELIEVE IT'S FRIDAY. I THINK THAT'S OUR NEXT WARD WALK. UM, THAT WE'RE DOING. YEAH, I WAS TRYING TO LOOK UP THE DATE. YOU THINK IT'S APRIL 24TH? APRIL 24TH? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. APRIL 24TH. FRIDAY I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT FIVE 30. UM, IT'LL BE OUR FIRST ONE IN THE SPRING. SO, UM, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER GARZAS AND I ARE LOOKING TO TRY TO BRING SOMETHING THAT WILL ENTICE THE RESIDENTS TO COME OUT. SO WE MIGHT BE DOING A FOOD DISTRIBUTION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYBODY? UH, ANYONE FOR UH, REGARDING CHEVROLET STATION DEPARTS FOR COUNCIL MEMBER FRY? HEARING NONE, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 13, THE APRIL TOWN MEETING AGENDA. UH, I HAVE THE, A BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. IS THAT RIGHT MR. GALLOWAY? YES. UM, POSSIBLY FOR THE FLOOR GYM FLOOR. AM I THINKING ABOUT THE RIGHT THING? NO. OKAY. DIFFERENT BUDGET ADJUSTMENT. OKAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE UH, ALSO SCHEDULING A CHARTER AMENDMENT READING. CORRECT. AND THAT'S FOR ANNEXATION? YES, SIR. TO MORE TO THE POINT. UH, OKAY. ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE NINTH, MR. TANZI? UM, THIS IS THE NINTH OR THE, THE WORK SESSION, BUT UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT FOR SEVERAL YEARS WE'VE HAD A POSTPONED PLAN TO PUT A CH SIGN AT 64TH FOR THE OLD FOURTH WARD. YES, I HAVE ASKED, UM, THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO LOOK UP THAT OLD QUOTE. UM, AND I WANT TO GO OVER THAT TO SEE WHAT FUNDS ARE, UH, AVAILABLE AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO SEE IF ANY ARE AVAILABLE TO DO THAT WORK. UM, AND ALSO WE ARE SCHEDULING THE, THE C GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE COMMITTEE WORK GROUP IS SCHEDULING WHAT WE BELIEVE WILL BE THE, THE FINAL MEETING BEFORE WE HAVE SOMETHING TO SUBMIT TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THAT IS PROBABLY MORE FOR THE WORK SESSION, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE, UM, ON THAT. SO YOU WILL, YEAH, LET'S PUT IT ON FOR THE 23RD, UH, FOR GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A DOCUMENT FOR US. THE HOPE IS TO HAVE A DOCUMENT, UH, BEFORE THE NINTH THAT I CAN SHARE. UH, BUT IT MIGHT BE THE DAY BEFORE THE NINTH. SO INTERESTING. THAT'S WHY THAT MIGHT BE FOR THE WORK SESSION. OKAY. I'M GONNA WRITE IT DOWN FOR THE 23RD. WE CAN REVISIT MR. WADE. TWO THINGS. NOT SURE FOR THE TOWN MEETING OR THE WORK SESSION. UNFORTUNATELY WE'RE STILL GETTING A LOT OF ISSUES REGARDING VERIZON. UM, SO WE NEED TO BRING THEM BACK OUT HERE, UM, IMMEDIATELY. UM, SO REGARDING THAT, CAN I ASK YOU SIR, JUST REAL QUICK, I'M SORRY. YES SIR. WHAT TYPE OF ISSUES? JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'LL CALL THEM IN. I THINK IT'S CELLULAR SERVICE, IT'S CELL AND IT'S FS AS WELL TOO THOUGH. OH, IT'S FS. IT'S BOTH. IT'S BOTH. IT'S A LOT. WE JUST HAD ANOTHER ISSUE, WHAT YESTERDAY A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE HAD THE ISSUE LIKE I THINK LAST WEEK, BUT THEN AGAIN IT, IT'S HAPPENING AGAIN NOW. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR WILL TRY TO GET HIM HERE FOR THE NINTH. IT, I THINK IT MAKES MORE SENSE FOR TOWN MEETING. CORRECT. SO WE'LL TRY FOR THE NINTH. I GUESS WE COULD HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL COME ON THE 23RD IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT ON THE NINTH AND WE'LL, IT'LL CHANGE THE TENOR A LITTLE BIT. GO AHEAD. [02:45:01] AND THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF, A LOT OF CAR MEETUPS AT THE UH, SHELBY UH, DEVELOPMENT AT THE UM, MEDICAL AREA. AND APPARENTLY THAT, I APOLOGIZE CHIEF, I SHOULD HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU ABOUT IT, BUT JUST WALKING OVER THERE, UM, THEY APPARENTLY HAVE SOME TYPE OF DEVICE. UM, SO BY THE TIME I THINK IT'S MOSTLY PRINCE GEORGE POLICE ARE GOING, GETTING OVER THERE WHEN THEY CALLED IN AND THEY'RE FLEEING THE AREA. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF MEETUPS THAT ARE GOING AND SOMEHOW THEY KNOW HOW TO GET OUTTA THERE IN TIME REGARDING THAT. SO, AND OF COURSE THE RESIDENTS OVER THERE ARE BEING AFFECTED BY THAT. BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO, THAT'S NOT AN AGENDA ITEM, RIGHT? I DON'T KNOW, I'M, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE TALK ABOUT OR WHAT'S THE, WHATEVER THE BEST WAY THAT WE GET THIS KNOWN BECAUSE SOME OF MY RESIDENTS ARE REACHING OUT TO ME ABOUT REGARDING, ALRIGHT, SO MAYBE CHIEF WE COULD ASK YOU TO TAKE THAT BACK AND INCLUDE IT IN YOUR REPORT FOR APRIL 9TH AND IF WE NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION DISCUSSION ON THE 23RD, WE CAN WE'LL DO THAT THEN. THE REASON I SAY THAT, BECAUSE THERE ARE ENOUGH PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THEY MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THEIR OWN TO SPEAK ON THAT AND THE ISSUE AND HOW IT'S AFFECTING THEM. MAYOR, MAY I? YES. UM, SO I HAD SOMEBODY, UM, REACHING OUT TO ME AS WELL. I THINK IT WAS LIKE A SATURDAY OR SUNDAY AND IT WASN'T EVEN VERY LATE, BUT BY THE TIME I DID SEND IT TO DEPUTY, UH, CHIEF AND BY THE TIME, UH, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER WHO WENT BUT IT WAS OVER. UM, AND THAT'S SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WERE DOING OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE ON BEAVER ROAD. AND SO I THINK WITH THAT, WHAT I'VE JUST SAID IS LIKE THE SECOND YOU START TO HEAR THAT MUSIC, LIKE GIVE US LIKE TEXT ME OR SOMETHING. 'CAUSE I'LL TRY TO GET IT OVER SO THAT WE CAN GET SOMEONE, 'CAUSE YOU GOTTA CATCH 'EM IN THE ACT KIND OF IS ONE THING. UM, BUT I KNOW MARYLAND STATE POLICE, THEY HAVE A TASK FORCE. THEY WERE ABLE TO CATCH LIKE FIVE DIFFERENT GROUPS. I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT WERE COMING OVER HERE, BUT THEY'VE STOPPED, UH, AT LEAST ALONG BEAVER ROAD. MAYBE THEY'RE GOING, YEAH, MAYBE THEY'RE NOW GOING TO THE HOSPITAL HILL AREA. BUT UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAD TO DEAL WITH IT, IT'S VERY, VERY IRRITATING. SO WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE RESPONDING QUICK ENOUGH SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT THEY SHOULD NOT BE COMING THERE. ALRIGHT, SO DO YOU, YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE WORK, THE TOWN MEETING AGENDA? WE'LL JUST HAVE A KIND OF A A OKAY, THAT'S FINE. WE'LL PUT IT ON THE TOWN MEETING. AGENDA ONE INVITES YOU TO COME AND SPEAK ON THE TOPIC. UM, AND WE'LL DO IT THAT WAY. SO THAT'D BE APRIL 9TH. UH, I WROTE DOWN THE SIGN IT IS IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE WORK SESSION, WE CAN DO THAT ON APRIL 23RD. SEE IF WE CAN DIG SOME MONEY. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN AN, IT'S NOT AN F THERE'S NO MONEY IN THE CIP CURRENTLY FOR FY 26. YEAH, SO, UH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE MAYBE AN APRIL 23 ITEM. UM, OKAY, APRIL 23RD, I HAVE THE OTHER CHARTER AMENDMENT ON THE AGENDA, WHICH IS THE ELECTION RULE CHANGE. I HAVE KELLER UNFORTUNATELY AGAIN, I HAVE GREEN FOREVER. AND THEN I WOULD LIKE TO PUT ON THAT AGENDA, UH, A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE $10,000 FOR PER LODGES ALLEGES. UM, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE 23RD? WELL, THE QUESTION IS AS COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, I MENTIONED THE, EXCEPT FOR THE USAGE. 'CAUSE IT'LL BE OVER THE, IT WILL BE, WE WON'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME FOR THE 90 DAYS AT THE TOWN MEETING AT THE, AT THE TOWN MEETING. EIGHTH, 18TH IS THE NINTH DAY, SO, ALRIGHT, SO WE'LL DO IT THE NINTH. THAT'S FINE. EVENT EXCEPTION. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR APRIL? OKAY, MAYOR, I HAD SOMETHING. OH, I, SORRY, I, MY MY THING SHUT OFF. GO AHEAD. UM, I STILL HAVE UM, OUTSTANDING ON OUR AGENDA LIST, STRATEGIC PLAN AND COUNCIL PRIORITIES. YEAH. UH, OKAY. YOU WANNA DO THAT IN APRIL OR IN MAY? APRIL SEEMS VERY FULL. WE'RE OKAY. UH, I'M SORRY, WHAT'D YOU SAY? VICE MAYOR? I SAID APRIL SEEMS VERY FULL. YEAH. OKAY, LET'S MOVE IT. UH, LET'S PUT IT ON FOR MAY THEN. , IS THAT YOUR SUGGESTION? I WAS JUST RAISING IT AS SOMETHING THAT IS STILL HANGING OUT THERE SO IT MAY SOUND FINE. UH, AND OF COURSE IN APRIL WE HAVE TO DO THE UH, ELECTED OFFICIALS USAGE POLICY FOR THE 23RD. SO IT IS QUITE FULL. ALRIGHT, UH, SEEING, HEARING NO FURTHER ITEMS WE'RE ONTO ITEM. SORRY MAYOR WHAT? ARB DAY PROCLAMATION. UH, OKAY. FOR APRIL 9TH. YEAH, SEE THAT WAS VERY CLEAN AND THEN YOU GUYS STARTED AND NOW IT'S FULL. [02:50:01] OKAY. YOU'RE RIGHT. UH, ALRIGHT, UH, I THINK WE'RE ON TO ITEM 14. ADJOURNMENT. IS THERE A MOTION MR. AJOUR? OKAY, IT WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. SECOND. SECOND. UH, WE'LL GIVE THE TAN SECOND TO TANSY. ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ANY SUSPENSIONS? ABSTENTIONS, THE MOTION PASSES. I THINK IT'S FOUR. NOTHING. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT AND WE WILL SEE YOU A WEEK FROM TONIGHT AT SIX 30 FOR THE BUDGET DISCUSSION. WHOA. YES. 2027. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.