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          OKAY, WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE AND, UM, 
          [1. Call to Order]
WE'RE GONNA RECONVENE. 
          UH, THE HEARING HAS NOW BEEN COMPLETED, CONCLUDED WE ARE GOING TO PROCEED WITH THE BUDGET WORK SESSION. 
          UH, I THINK WE ARE GOING 
          [5. Departmental Budget Review]
TO START THE CONVERSATION WITH REVENUE, UH, SORRY, WITH SPENDING, UH, AND THEN, WHICH WILL BE STARTED BY A PRESENTATION FROM THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR AND ANYBODY ELSE, UH, ON HIS TEAM, UH, THAT HE TURNS TO. 
          AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO THE REVENUE QUESTIONS AND WE WILL DECIDE HOW TO PROCEED ON REVENUE. 
          MR. GALLOWAY, THE FLOOR IS YOURS. 
          THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO, UH, MAYOR, WE'LL GET STARTED WITH THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ACTIVITIES DIVISIONS. 
          UM, MS. WHITE, IF YOU CAN SHARE THE SCREEN PLEASE. 
          SO WE'LL GET START STARTED. 
          UNDER THE CONTRACTUAL CONSULT, CONSULTANT SERVICES, MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND COMMUNITY, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF OUR CONSULTANTS ARE PRETTY MUCH UNDER. 
          UM, AS IT RELATES TO OUR AUDITORS, OUR LEGAL, OUR COMPUTER SUPPORT, OUR ARBORIST CONSULTANT, I'M SORRY, HOLD FOR A MINUTE. 
          THEY'RE RIGHT HERE. 
          THEY WERE HIDING FROM ME. 
          CAN YOU PUT THE LI TABLE FOR ME? THEY WERE HIDING FROM ME. 
          UM, OUR PROFESSIONAL SERVICE PM UTILITIES, WHICH ARE OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR HR CONSULTANT, WHICH, UM, NOW WE, WE DEFINITELY NEED AN HR CONSULTANT. 
          THAT'S A TREND THAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES HAVE BEEN UTILIZING IN ONE THAT WE HAVE AS WELL. 
          UM, MOVING FORWARD TO NON-DEPARTMENTAL MISCELLANEOUS, UM, THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING SUPPLIES AND MAINTENANCE. 
          UH, WE HAVE AT 40,000 MUNICIPAL BUILDING UTILITIES. 
          WE HAVE AT 45,000 MUNICIPAL GENERAL INSURANCE. 
          WE HAVE AT 3,500, THE RED LIGHT CAMERA CONTRACTOR AND THE SPEED CAMERA CONTRACTOR. 
          UM, WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 800,000. 
          THE MARYLAND STATE RETIREMENT ADMIN FEES, UH, GIVES US A TOTAL OF 8,500. 
          UH, THAT TOTAL NON-DEPARTMENTAL MISCELLANEOUS EQUATES $897,000. 
          AND AS WE GO DOWN TO THE ANIMAL AND INSECT CONTROL PROGRAM, UM, THE $1,000 ARE JUST FOR SUPPLIES. 
          THERE ARE TIMES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO REPLY TO, YOU KNOW, A BEES NEST OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. 
          THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE GET THAT FROM. 
          AND THE, UH, TRAP, NEUTER AND RELEASE. 
          UM, WE HAVE, UH, WENT DOWN TO 2,500. 
          UM, AS IT RELATES TO THE NEXT SECTION, THE CABLE TELEVISION, GOVERNMENT CHANNEL AND COMMUNICATIONS. 
          UM, WE HAVE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES OF 65,000, DIGITAL COMMUNICATION OF 45,000 NEWSLETTER AND PRINTED COMMUNICATION AT 40,000, WHICH THAT WAS UNDER THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL AND WAS TRANSFERRED TO THIS LINE. 
          UM, AND STREAMING SERVICES OF 12,000, WHICH EQUATES TO $162,000 OF COMMUN CABLE TELEVISION, GOVERNMENT CHANNEL, AND COMMUNICATIONS. 
          AND MAYOR AND COUNSEL. 
          I'LL PAUSE THERE AT THAT SECTION. 
          COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS PAGE? GO AHEAD. 
          UM, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DIGITAL COMMUNICATIONS AND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES UNDER, LIKE AV AND DIGITAL VERSUS, UM, COMPUTER SUPPORT UNDER CONTRACTUAL AND CONSULTING. 
          WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THOSE? ALRIGHT, SO COMPUTER SUPPORT IS, ARE NOT A CON, RIGHT? THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THE, THE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ON 24 7, UM, AND THEY PROTECT US FROM FRAUD, ET CETERA. 
          UM, THEY MANAGE ALL OF OUR SOFTWARE LICENSE, UH, THAT WE HAVE. 
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SO THAT'S THE IT VENDOR, IF YOU WILL. 
          SO THAT'S THE COMPUTER SUPPORT AS IT RELATES TO, CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT YOUR SECOND PART OF YOUR QUESTION WAS? JUST HOW IT WAS DIFFERENT FROM LIKE, UM, CIVIC PLUS AND UNICODE AND, UM, ZOOM SUPPORT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, SO UNDER THE, UNDER THAT SECTION, WE HAVE THE CIVIC PLUS, THE CCL FIX, THE MUNI CODE, THE ARCHIVE, SOCIAL, THOSE ARE ALL, EACH INDIVIDUAL SERVICES THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR. 
          THAT IS A SECTION OF THE ACTUAL WEBSITE. 
          UH, MR. WADE, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THIS PAGE? UH, THE STATEMENT, UH, THAT, UH, THANK YOU MR. GALL. 
          I DO SEE FROM THE PREVIOUS, BUT THAT IT WAS, YOU DID MAKE SOME CUTS IN THAT, SO I THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          UH, REGARDING THAT FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE, FROM LAST WEEK, A WEEK AGO OR SO. 
          YES, SIR. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET US CONTINUE ON WITH THE 500 SERIES. 
          UH, AND THEN AFTER THE FIVE HUNDREDS, WE'LL PAUSE FOR RESIDENT INPUT AND THEN GO TO SIX LIKE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'LL GO TO MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, WE'LL GO DOWN JUST PERSONNEL SERVICES, YOUR SALARIES, RETIREMENT, SOCIAL SECURITY. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, OFFICIAL EXPENSE WE HAVE AT $2,000. 
          UH, CONSTITUENT SERVICE AND STRATEGIC PLANNING, WE HAVE AT $10,000 TRAVEL AND TRAINING RECAP AT 20,000. 
          THAT'S FOR YOUR MML CONFERENCES AND THE VARIOUS CONFERENCES THAT YOU ATTEND THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          THE INSURANCE FOR PUBLIC OFFICIALS LIABILITY, THAT'S AT 17,100. 
          UH, THE MISCELLANEOUS MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT ARE AT 3000, AS WE'VE STATED. 
          THE NEWSLETTER WAS, THE NEWSLETTER WAS TRANSFERRED TO ANOTHER SECTION. 
          PUBLIC INFORMATION, WE HAVE IT. 
          5,000 PUBLIC'S OFFICIAL ASSOCIATION. 
          IT'S PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE'S MEMBERSHIP TO MML AND NATIONAL LEAGUE OF CITY AND, UH, UH, UH, P-G-C-M-A. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT'S 12,000. 
          AND THE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS COMING UP, WE HAVE IT AT $13,000. 
          COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL? SECTION 55, 2 5 1 HUNDREDS? YES. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK IF WE WERE LOOKING TO CUT, UM, THERE IS A CASE TO BE MADE FOR, UM, REDUCING OUR TRAVEL AND TRAINING MEETING ATTENDANCE LINE. 
          UM, CAN I ASK ON ALONG THAT LINE, WHAT DO WE USE? 1 24, THE $10,000 WE'VE USED 2,700 THIS YEAR. 
          CONSTITUENT SERVICE, STRATEGIC PLANNING. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLOCATE SOME, UM, UH, SOMETHING ELSE THERE. 
          THAT'S FOR YOUR PLANNING RETREAT THAT YOU HAVE IN THE FALL. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU GUYS WANT TO KEEP THIS? I'M, I'D BE FINE GETTING RID OF IT AND PASSING THE HAT. 
          YES. 
          SO VERSUS GETTING RID OF, COULD WE LIKE FREEZE SOMETHING LIKE SO, 'CAUSE THE LINE ITEM DOESN'T JUST DISAPPEAR IF WE ZERO IT OUT. 
          RIGHT? IT HAS TO BE ZEROED OUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS. 
          YES. 
          GENERALLY IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ZEROED OUT FOR FIVE YEAR, FOUR YEARS, I THINK, TO BE, TO DISAPPEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE WOULD STILL BE THERE. 
          SO THEN IF NEXT YEAR WHEN THERE'S A NEW COUNCIL, IF THEY WANTED TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT LIKE LEADERSHIP RETREAT, THEY COULD STILL RIGHT. 
          WE COULD ALSO PUT A NOMINAL AMOUNT THERE IF YOU JUST WANT TO, IF YOU THINK THAT HELPS KEEP IT ALIVE, BUT, BUT NO, IT WOULD CONTINUE ON THE BUDGETS AS IT WORKED ITS WAY LEFT FOR FOUR YEARS UNTIL IT DISAPPEARED. 
          OKAY. 
          DOES ANYBODY WANNA KEEP THE 10,000? OKAY. 
          LET'S TAKE THE 10,000 TO ZERO. 
          DO YOU, DOES ANYBODY WANT TO ACT ON THE VICE MAYOR'S SUGGESTION OF LOOKING AT THE $20,000 FOR THE TRAVEL? WE DO HAVE AN ALLOCATION FORMULA INTERNALLY. 
          UM, YES. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK MY RESIDENT WAS HERE EARLIER FOR THE HEARING, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON THE RECORD. 
          UM, ONE OF THE RESPONSES I DID GET WAS JUST THAT IN REGARDS TO TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND WITH CONFERENCES THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES RIGHT NOW ARE ALSO JUST KIND OF PAUSING ON CONFERENCES BECAUSE OF, UM, HAVING TO, YOU KNOW, REIGN IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO, UM, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER, EVEN IF IT'S 
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JUST, YOU KNOW, FOR A YEAR. 
          UM MM-HMM . 
          WE COULD CUT IT TOO. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD CUT IT DOWN. 
          IS THAT, SORRY. 
          YEAH, WE COULD CUT IT. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE FORMULA IS THE FORMULA. 
          SO IF WE HAVE 16, WE HAVE 15, WE HAVE 17, THE FORMULA KICKS IN AND WE SPEND WHAT WE HAVE. 
          MR. TANZI. 
          UM, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I THINK WE CAN REDUCE IT. 
          UM, SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALWAYS SAY, HEY, WE HAVE TWO YEAR TERMS. WE GO, WE HAVE A BUDGET TO GO TO MML EVERY OTHER YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          OR WE JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, WHO'S, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LITERALLY BE, I GO THIS YEAR, YOU GO, NEXT YEAR IT CAN BE OKAY, THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE COME, AND THEN NEXT YEAR IT THE SAME, SAME PEOPLE OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE COME. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PREFERRED AMOUNT, MR. WADE? YEAH. 
          JUST FULL DISCRE FULL DISCLOSURE, I'M ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR THE BOARD FOR MML. 
          SO IF I MAKE IT ON THE, YOUR MIC'S NOT ON, I'M PRESSING THE BUTTON. 
          IT'S SOUND. 
          YEAH, HIS GREEN LIGHT'S ON. 
          OKAY. 
          CHECK ONE, CHECK TWO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I'M, I'M ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR THE BOARD OF MML THIS COMING JUNE. 
          WHAT THAT ENTAILS IS, UM, AT THE, AT LARGE BOARD, I WILL REPRESENT ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES. 
          IF I DO AM ON THAT BOARD, THEN I WOULD HAVE TO ATTEND ALL THE, UH, MEETINGS IN ORDER FOR ME TO STAY ON THAT BOARD. 
          UM, IT, THE BOARD, AT LEAST FOR ME, IT PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SHELBY TO BE IN A ROOM ON THE STATE LEVEL, UH, REGARDING WHAT'S GOING ON FOR THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          SO IF I MAKE THE BOARD AND BASED ON WHAT HE'S SAYING AND I DON'T ATTEND THE CONFERENCING, I'M OFF THE BOARD FOR THAT. 
          SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS THE CASE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I THINK WITH COUNCILMAN EVER ON THE BOARD AT THE TIME. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? YEAH, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU'RE OFF. 
          OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT GREAT. 
          I THINK THERE'S NINE AT LARGE. 
          AND THEN ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD, UM, I WAS ON THE EXECUTIVE BOARD LAST YEAR, THE YEAR BEFORE, UM, AND ACTUALLY WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND ONE. 
          SO IT'S NOT THE END OF THE ROLE. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE GONNA BE REPRESENTING, YOU KNOW, THEN BEING AT MML AS PART OF PG CMA BOARD, UM, IS NO, THE ML I'M TALKING ABOUT, I'M RUNNING FOR THE ML. 
          OH, YOU'RE RUNNING FOR MML BOARD? YES. 
          L OKAY. 
          YEAH, NO, THAT WOULD REQUIRE YOU, UM, TO JOIN THE MEETINGS. 
          AND THEN I THINK SOME OF LIKE THE QUARTERLY MEETINGS OR WHATEVER IT IS, LIKE NOT DURING CONFERENCE IS VIRTUAL OR THEY MADE THEM VIRTUAL. 
          UM, AND THEY MAY HAVE SOMETHING ELSE BESIDES JUST THE CONFERENCE. 
          'CAUSE CURRENTLY I'M ON THE COMMITTEE FOR, UH, UH, OUTREACH ENGAGEMENT AND OUTREACH. 
          SO I DO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AS WELL, UH, REGARDING THAT AS WELL. 
          VICE MAYOR, DOES MML NOT COVER MEETING ATTENDANCE FOR THEIR BOARD MEMBERS? CORRECT. 
          FEELS LIKE AN ODD CHOICE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE LEAVING IT ALONE FOR NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          MOVING ON. 
          UH, OR LET ME MOVE BACK. 
          I KNOW IT'S A TINY $2,000, BUT WHAT ARE OFFICIAL EXPENSES AND WHY DO WE NEED THEM? I MEAN, WE'VE SPENT ZERO, WELL, AS OF FEBRUARY, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE NOW. 
          WELL, I MEAN, IT'S COMPLETELY UP TO YOU. 
          OFFICIAL EXPENSES ARE WHEN, UH, YOU BUY CARDS, FLOWERS, THOSE TYPE OF, UH, CEREMONIAL THINGS FROM THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          UM, THIS HADN'T BEEN UPDATED, BUT YOU HAVE UTILIZED SOME EXPENSE FROM THIS, UM, THIS YEAR. 
          UM, JUST MOST RECENTLY, YOU, UM, PURCHASED SOME FLOWERS, UH, FOR A MM-HMM . 
          UM, BELOVED, UH, WARD FOUR RESIDENT. 
          SO IT, IT'S USED FOR THOSE TYPE OF, THOSE TYPES OF PURPOSES. 
          OKAY. 
          CAN WE JUST ZERO IT OUT AND WE'LL JUST PASS THE HAT IF WE NEED TO DO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I KNOW WHERE YOU ALL LIVE. 
          UH, THERE WAS ONE OTHER TINY THING. 
          I CAN'T SEE IT. 
          GO AHEAD, JOHN. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE JUMP ON THE ELECTIONS LINE. 
          I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS, THAT WAS, WE'RE NOT GONNA SPEND THE 2000 THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S JUST THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN ELECTION IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE PROPOSED BUDGET FOR FY 27 FROM TWO TO $13,000. 
          OH, YOU MEAN FROM LIKE 8,500 TO 13,000? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WHY IS THAT INCREASE NECESSARY? THAT INCREASE WAS, I THINK AT THE REQUEST OF THE BOARD OF ELECTION. 
          WE GOT THE, UH, AUTUMN, THE, THE, THE ELECTRONIC MACHINES OPPOSED TO THE, UM, HAND COUNTING. 
          UM, WE CAN TAKE THAT OFF AND, AND EVEN STILL, WHEN WE TAKE IT OFF, THE PROJECTED PRICE WILL BE ROUGHLY AROUND $9,000. 
          SO IF YOU, IF WE WOULD RATHER HAND COUNT, WE CAN DO THAT. 
          BUT EVEN WITH 
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HAND COUNTING THE NEXT ELECTION, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE FEES WILL BE AROUND $9,000. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T LOVE THE IDEA OF FORCING THE BOARD'S HAND BECAUSE OF THE MONEY IN THE BUDGET. 
          I DON'T GET IT. 
          OH, SURE. 
          HAND COUNTING, PUN HAND PUN. 
          UH, RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, IF, IF THE BOARD IS GOING TO PICK SOME OTHER WAY TO COUNT BALLOTS, I DON'T WANT IT TO BE, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE CAN AFFORD. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. 
          UM, THIS WAS ABOUT THE NEWSLETTER. 
          OKAY, SORRY. 
          SO LET US LEAVE THE 13,000 FOR THE ELECTION. 
          YES. 
          AND IF WE, IF THE ELECTION SUPERVISORS DON'T WANT TO USE IT, GREAT NEWSLETTER. 
          YES. 
          I HAVE SEEN SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITY NEWSLETTERS THAT, UM, USE ADS, RIGHT? SO PEOPLE PAY TO HAVE AN AD, UM, IN COLOR. 
          BEAUTIFUL. 
          UM, AND I KNOW LIKE WE CAN'T REALLY THINK ABOUT LIKE HOW THAT WOULD CHANGE THIS LINE ITEM HERE, BUT I REALLY WOULD LIKE US TO CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND CHANGING THE FORMAT. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT THE CURRENT WAY THAT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE INPUTTED AND THINGS LIKE, THAT'S KIND OF A PAIN. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND SO MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING BETTER OUT THERE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE'VE HAD THE SAME FORMAT. 
          UM, BUT WE ALSO WANNA, IF WE WANT TO ENTICE LIKE, AD SPONSORS AND STUFF, THEN WE NEED TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT SNAZZIER THAN, YOU KNOW. 
          UM, SO JUST SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE CAN KEEP THIS LINE ITEM. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING HERE AT ALL. 
          IT'S 40,000. 
          IT'S ON THE PREVIOUS PAGE. 
          OH, IT'S ON THE OTHER PAGE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          IT'S $40,000. 
          UM, BUT YEAH, SO THAT 40 AND THEN MAYBE NOT BEING, NOT HAVING TO USE IT ONCE WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT A SYSTEM TO, TO SHIFT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I'LL SPEAK ON THAT JUST REAL QUICKLY. 
          WE'RE THE PROCESS OF COMM, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE COMMUNICATING WITH A COMMUNICATIONS COMPANY AND THEY'RE GOING TO GIVE US SOME POINTS ON HOW TO BEST ADDRESS YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, THE NEWSLETTER. 
          UM, WE ARE ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE ABOUT HOW TO CHARGE AND WHAT TO CHARGE, UM, PEOPLE MOVING FORWARD, BUSINESSES MOVING FORWARD FOR ADVERTISEMENT. 
          UH, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I WILL WANT TO TALK TO THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE AN INTERNAL POLICY CHANGE AND PERHAPS A POLICY DISCUSSION. 
          BUT THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HAPPENING AS WE SPEAK. 
          I'LL JUST SAY THE ONE THAT I SAW THAT WAS VERY NICE, YOU MIGHT WANNA SPEAK TO IS THE TOWN OF BERWYN HEIGHTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SEE WHAT THEIR FEE STRUCTURE IS. 
          'CAUSE THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE, ARE THEY BIGGER THAN US? NO, IT MIGHT BE SMALLER THAN US, BUT, YOU KNOW, SO SIZE WISE, NOTICE I ALSO WANNA NOTE THAT I THINK LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE OR DURING BUDGET SEASON, WE HAD ALSO DISCUSSED GOING THE OPPOSITE WAY AND LOOKING AT, UM, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SORT OF COMMITTED TO HAVING A PAPER NEWSLETTER DELIVERED TO THEM VERSUS WHETHER IT COULD BE ENTIRELY DIGITAL. 
          UM, AND WHETHER IF THERE'S A SORT OF A SMALL ENOUGH RESPONSE TO PEOPLE NEEDING THE PAPER NEWSLETTER, WHETHER THERE COULD BE A SYSTEM OF HAND DELIVERY FOR THOSE HANDFUL, ASSUMING THAT IT IS NOT A LARGE PERCENTAGE, UM, TO CUT COSTS ON PRINTING PERIOD. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT WAYS TO GO THERE. 
          WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY PRODUCE A SURVEY. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          AND WE'LL LOOK FOR WAYS TO DO THAT. 
          UH, LET'S LEAVE THE 40,000 IN THERE. 
          AND THEN, UH, FOR NOW, MAYBE FOR THE LAST YEAR OF BEING THAT HIGH, I DON'T KNOW, HOPEFULLY, UH, DO WE NEED THE 3000 FOR THE MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT? AND DO WE NEED 5,000 FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION? YES, YOU DO NEED THE 5,000 FOR PUB, FOR PUBLIC INFORMATION AND FOR MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, YES. 
          WHAT'S THE FIVE? THE 5,000 IS JUST FOR THE NEWSPAPER ADS CHARTER FOR THE RIGHT, FOR CHARTER AMENDMENTS. 
          THE, THE, UH, OKAY. 
          AND WHAT, WHAT SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT AM I GETTING? LIKE THE SHIRT, BUSINESS CARDS, BUSINESS CARDS, INSURANCE. 
          WHAT, WHAT ELSE? OKAY. 
          YEAH, SEEMS LIKE A LOT. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN CUT THAT DOWN. 
          WE CAN PROBABLY DO HALF OF THAT, BUT ALRIGHT. 
          LET'S DO HALF IT, IT'S, IT, I THINK IT HELPS A LITTLE BIT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ARE WE DONE THEN ON THIS PAGE? UH, THE ELECTION? GO AHEAD. 
          YEAH, I, I REMEMBER FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION, THE ELECTION, THE 13,000 THAT INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY OF PULLING THE BOXES IN THE FAR WEST SIDE OF WARD ONE AND THE APARTMENTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT'S PART OF THAT 13,000. 
          REMEMBER WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THE BOXES 
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FOR THE ELECTIONS. 
          AND I MENTIONED THE FACT THAT AT LEAST, AT LEAST ON THE FAR RIGHT SIDE OF WARD, FAR WEST SIDE OF WARD ONE, WE DON'T NEED A BOX THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE'RE LOOKING AT EXHAUSTED CURRENT 2000, UH, FOR, FOR THOSE EXPENSES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S COVERED UNDER THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT PART OF THE 13,000? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. GALLOWAY ON TO 55 30 THE, UH, GENERAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION. 
          SORRY. 
          I, OKAY. 
          SO UNDER THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATION, MAYOR AND COUNCIL, UNDER PERSONNEL SERVICES, UM, WE HAVE THE WAGE AND SALARIES. 
          UH, WE HAVE THE OVERTIME, UH, RETIREMENT, RETIREMENT SUPPLEMENT, WORKERS' COMPENSATION, SOCIAL SECURITY, HEALTH INSURANCE, BENEFIT, LIFE INSURANCE, AND UNEMPLOYMENT. 
          I DO WANT TO NOTE THAT, UM, THE HEALTH INSURANCE DID GO UP. 
          UM, JUST, UH, THEY, IT WENT UP FROM LAST YEAR FROM THE ADOPT BUDGET OF 88,000 TO 110,000. 
          HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS HAVE WENT UP ACROSS THE BOARD THROUGHOUT THE STATE. 
          AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, I SIT ON THE LEGIT LOCAL GOVERNMENT BOARD AND I AM THE HEALTHCARE REP FOR , FOR LEGIT. 
          SO THIS WAS BEYOND OUR CONTROL. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE BEST THAT, UM, BENNA CON COULDN'T NEGOTIATE FOR US. 
          NEXT YEAR, WE DO, UM, EXPECT TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE RELIEF IN THAT LINE ITEM ACROSS THE BOARD AS, UH, THE HEALTH INSURANCE, UM, WILL BE UP FOR BID. 
          UM, BUT AS WE GO DOWN, UH, WE'LL LOOK AT OVERTIME. 
          UH, WE HAVE 25,000 FOR OVERTIME. 
          UM, RETIREMENT. 
          WE HAVE 100,000 THERE. 
          A RETIREMENT SUPPLEMENT. 
          WE HAVE 15,000 WORKERS' COMPENSATION. 
          WE HAVE 3,500 SOCIAL SECURITY, JUST A REFLECTION OF THE, UM, SALARY, WHICH IS AT 42,600. 
          AS I'VE STATED, THE HEALTH INSURANCE IS AT 110,000. 
          LIFE INSURANCE IS AT 5,000 AND UNEMPLOYMENT IS AT 6,000. 
          UM, WE GO DOWN TO STAFF DEVELOPMENT, UH, TRAVEL AND TRAINING. 
          WE HAVE AT $20,000. 
          AND THAT'S ALL THE ADMINISTRATIVE TRAININGS. 
          TUITION ASSISTANCE WE HAVE AT 45,000. 
          AND THAT'S FOR THE ENTIRE TOWN. 
          UM, SO PUBLIC WORKS, POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT INSURANCE COSTS, AUTO INSURANCE, EXCESS AUTO LIABILITY. 
          WE HAVE AT 3,500 COMMODITIES. 
          MATERIAL SUPPLIES AND EQUIPMENT. 
          MISCELLANEOUS BANK SERVICE, CREDIT CARD FEES. 
          UM, UH, WE HAVE THE MATERIAL SUPPLIES AT 15 MISCELLANEOUS AT FIVE BANK SERVICE BILL.COM AT EIGHT CREDIT CARD FEES AT 1000. 
          UH, SUB SUBSCRIPTIONS AND MEMBERSHIPS WE HAVE AT 7,000 CONSULTANT AND ACCOUNT ACCOUNTANT AND PAYCHECK FEES, UH, WE HAVE AT 70,000. 
          SO THAT IS, UM, OUR PAYROLL PROVIDER AND OUR TOWN ACCOUNTANT SLASH TREASURER. 
          UM, CONTRACTUAL SERVICES, RECRUITMENT AND ADVERTISEMENT, WE HAVE AT $2,000 EAP, WE HAVE AT 6,500 
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TELEPHONE SERVICES. 
          WE HAVE AT 15,000. 
          OFFICE EQUIPMENT MAINTENANCE. 
          WE HAVE AT 2000 AND POSTAGE, WE HAVE AT 6,500 CODE COMPLIANCE. 
          UH, PRIVATE PROPERTY CLEANUP. 
          WE HAVE AT 4,000 CODE RESIDENTIAL PARKING. 
          WE HAVE AT 1000 CODE UNIFORMS. WE HAVE AT 1000. 
          AND WE HAVE NO CAPITAL OUTLAY AT THIS TIME. 
          WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT PAGE. 
          YEAH, LET'S FINISH THE NEXT PAGE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNCIL AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE PUBLIC, WHICH ARE THE COMMITTEES AND DEBT SERVICES. 
          UM, WE REMAIN, WELL, WE INCREASED THIS BUDGET FOR CHEVROLET DAY TO 20,000. 
          UH, PLEASE KNOW THAT THE COST OF FIREWORKS DID INCREASE THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND AS I'VE STATED BEFORE, UM, THE FIREWORKS IS AT SIX THOU $16,600. 
          AND THE REMAINDER OF THAT $20,000 WE INTEND ON SPENDING FOR THE, UH, GOLF CARTS THAT WE USE FOR CHEVROLET DAY. 
          UH, THE CHEV PLANNING BOARD, WE HAVE AT $300 YOUTH PROGRAMMING AT $13,000 RECREATION COUNCIL, 4,500 GRANTS, UH, 15,300 MARKET 5,000 INTERPRETIVE SERVICES, 3000 HOMETOWN HEROES, 4,000. 
          AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO GO ON DOWN THE MUNICIPAL BOND INTEREST PAYMENT AND THE MUNICIPAL BOND PRINCIPAL PAYMENT TOTALS 536,719, ALL OF WHICH IS PAYING FOR THIS, UH, WONDERFUL BUILDING HERE. 
          AND THE TOTAL GENERAL GOVERNMENT, UM, IS 3,211,221. 
          COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PREVIOUS TWO PAGES? VICE MAYOR? UM, YEAH, YOU MENTIONED THE HEALTH INSURANCE INCREASE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A BIG JUMP AS WELL IN RETIREMENT UNDER PERSONNEL SERVICES. 
          AND I'M WONDERING WHERE THAT IS COMING FROM. 
          'CAUSE LAST YEAR THE BUDGETED AMOUNT FOR SALARIES WAS HIGHER THAN THIS YEAR, BUT THE RETIREMENT BUDGET IS HALF OF WHAT IT IS THIS YEAR. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, I THINK MS. MOCK IS ON, THERE'S A FORMULA THAT THE STATE HAS PROVIDED, THE TOWN THAT SHE HAS USED AND, AND CAME UP WITH THE NUMBERS. 
          UH, MS. M CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT TO THAT PLEASE? UM, CERTAINLY THE, UM, AMOUNT FOR FY 27 WILL BE BASED ON THE FY 26, UH, ACTUAL PERSONNEL COSTS. 
          SO IN FY 26, YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE SALARIES ARE ACTUALLY HIGHER THAN THEY ARE IN FY 27. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THAT RETIREMENT NUMBER IS A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN IT, IT, IT SEEMS IT SHOULD BE. 
          PLUS THERE HAS BEEN AN INCREASE IN THE, UM, FORMULAS THAT THE STATE WAS USING AND THEY PROVIDED US SOME IN INFORMATION REGARDING THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DO YOU HAVE A FOLLOW UP? UM, I JUST HAD ONE QUICK THING, WHICH IS THAT I LOVE THE IDEA OF, UM, NOT FUNDING THE FIREWORKS. 
          'CAUSE I DO NOT ENJOY THE FIREWORKS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A BIG SAVINGS. 
          THAT IS A PERSPECTIVE. 
          UH, COUNSEL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GO TO THE PUBLIC? I HAD A QUESTION. 
          YES. 
          CAN YOU TELL ME HOW THE TUITION ASSISTANCE, UH, PROGRAM IS STRUCTURED? LIKE HOW DOES ONE, UM, APPLY FOR IT? IS THERE A CAP PER, PER PERSON OR, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, HOW, HOW DOES IT GET USED? I CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH THE POLICY YEAH. 
          UH, THAT WE HAVE, BUT AS FAR AS THE TUITION ASSISTANCE, YOU HAVE TO BE HERE FOR A YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IF YOU APPLY, YOU HAVE TO GET, YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT HEAD AND THEN APPROVED BY THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR. 
          IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BENEFIT THE TOWN AS IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUSINESS, ET CETERA, UM, BEFORE IT CAN BE APPROVED. 
          AND IS THERE ANY 
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REQUIREMENT THAT YOU STAY WITH THE TOWN FOR ANY AMOUNT OF TIME AFTER YOU'VE GOTTEN THAT BENEFIT BASED ON THE CURRENT POLICY? NO, THERE HASN'T BEEN. 
          SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I HAVE TALKED TO THE TOWN ATTORNEY ABOUT CHANGING. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          THE POLICY HAS BEEN THAT SAME SINCE BEFORE I ARRIVED, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN DISCUSSION WITH ATTORNEY DELO ABOUT. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, LET US PUT THAT POLICY ON A WORK SESSION FOR THE FALL, PLEASE, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, BUT IS, SO THERE ISN'T A CAP IT SEEMS, BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YEAR TO DATE, WE'VE ALREADY OUT OVERSPENT WHAT WAS ADOPTED IN THE FY 26 BUDGET BY A DECENT AMOUNT. 
          SO HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU DECIDE WHEN TO STOP, WHEN TO SAY WE HAVE EXHAUSTED THE BUDGET FOR THIS? YEAH, I THINK THAT SOME OF THAT IS BASED OFF OF CONTRACTUAL OBLIGATIONS, UH, COMMITMENTS. 
          AND THEN WE NEED TO REVIEW WITH EACH DEPARTMENT HOW THINGS SHOULD BE PROPERLY ALLOCATED BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, UM, REALLOCATING, UH, CERTAIN, CERTAIN, CERTAIN TRAININGS SHOULD NOT BE IN TUITION REIMBURSEMENT. 
          THEY SHOULD BE IN, IN TRAINING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME OF THAT THAT'S THERE THAT WE WILL NEED TO REALLOCATE TO. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          COUNSEL, IF YOU ARE, UH, FINISHED WITH YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE 500 SERIES ITEMS, LET US TURN TO THE PUBLIC AND ASK IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC INPUT, UH, ON THE FIVE HUNDREDS. 
          YES. 
          THIS 400 IS REVENUE. 
          SO 500 EXPENDITURES ARE, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUT? YOUR NAME, GO AHEAD. 
          YES. 
          AZI WARD ONE. 
          WHAT I WOULD MOST, UM, LIKE TO SEE, AND I UNDERSTAND IT CAN'T BE ANSWERED HERE, WOULD BE TO DO A REASSESSMENT OR, UM, OF THE CABLE TELEVISION, GOVERNMENT CHANNEL COMMUNICATIONS AND, UM, THE OTHER CONSULTANT SERVICES JUST TO PRICE OUT WHAT THEY WERE WHEN THESE CONTRACTS WERE ENTERED INTO AND WHAT MIGHT BE OPPORTUNITIES NOW AND POSSIBILITIES OF COMBINING ACROSS A FEW OF THESE. 
          SO, UM, JUST, JUST BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, UM, THERE MAY BE SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THERE, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT, AT LEAST IN THIS ENVIRONMENT FOR ME TO ASCERTAIN. 
          I KNOW MR. GALLOWAY WAS EXPLAINING IT, BUT I WASN'T CLEARLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS WHAT AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO BETTER DO THAT. 
          SO BOTH IN THE FIVE 20, UM, 100 AND DOWN, BECAUSE WE HAVE NEW THAT WE'VE BROUGHT OVER, INCLUDING THE NEWSLETTER, BUT THEN ALSO, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE SPECIALTY CONSULTANTS AND COMPUTER SUPPORT AND THOSE AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. 
          THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE'LL BE THE ONGOING CONVERSATION ABOUT NEWSLETTER, BUT FOR MANY OF OUR RESIDENTS, IT IS STILL A VERY VALUABLE POINT OF COMMUNICATION. 
          AND WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC NOTICE FOR THINGS. 
          UH, WE HAVE GONE OVER TO OUR NEWSLETTER AND I WOULD SAY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE, UM, TAX RATE, THAT WE ACTUALLY SHOULD BE MAILING THOSE THINGS OUT TO EACH AND EVERY RESIDENT SINCE WE NO LONGER HAVE A TRUE, UM, NEWS, NEWS OF PUBLIC RECORD. 
          AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT'S HIDDEN AN UPPER MARLBOROUGH. 
          SO, UM, PLEASE, WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT NEWSLETTER, THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THE FOUR PAGES OF THE 500 SERIES EXPENDITURES? SEEING NONE, MR. GALLOWAY, WHY DON'T YOU KICK US OFF WITH THE 600 SERIES, WHICH IS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL PASS IT TO THE CHIEF, HOW ABOUT THAT? SUPER. 
          ALRIGHT, I'LL PASS IT TO THE W CHIEF, THAT . 
          GOOD EVENING MAYOR. 
          COUNSEL. 
          I'M GONNA RUN THROUGH THIS. 
          UH, THIS IS, UH, THE SECOND TIME THIS HAS BEEN PRESENTED, BUT THERE HAVE BEEN, UH, SOME SUBSTANTIAL CUTS TO THE BUDGET THAT WE PRESENTED ON APRIL THE SECOND. 
          UH, SO SALARY BENEFITS, THE PROPOSED BUDGET OF 2.1 HAS A, UH, REDUCTION, UH, WITH FROZEN, A REQUESTED POSITION FOR DETECTIVE, FOR THE DETECTIVE, UH, IN THIS BUDGET, UH, OVER WHAT WE HAD REPRESEN PRESENT ORIGINALLY. 
          UH, WE'RE STILL GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH CREATING THAT DETECTIVE BUREAU, 
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AND WE KEPT THE SERGEANT'S POSITION IN THERE AND WE'VE GOT THE, UH, NURTURING DETECTIVE, UH, SERGEANT NOW. 
          AND SO WE'LL JUST BE ALLOCATING THE STRUCTURE BY CODE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          AND, AND SOME BY CODE WE'RE REQUIRED TO, TO HAVE THAT DETECTIVE BUREAU. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT MAKES SENSE THAT WE HAVE A DETECTIVE BUREAU AND WE GOT A RECENT SITUATION, MAYBE WE REQUESTED DETECTIVE FROM PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, AND THIS IS NO SLATE ON PRINCE GEORGE'S COUNTY, BUT THEY DECLINED TO COME OUT. 
          SO SERGEANT JACKSON PICKED UP THE, THE BALL LINE WITH IT AND WAS ABLE TO CLOSE THAT CASE FOR US. 
          UH, THE, UH, JUST THE, UH, SALARY AND BENEFITS, THE MOST SIGNIFICANT HIT IS IN THE RETIREMENT PENSION FOR OUR SWORN OFFICERS. 
          THEY'RE IN OPS. 
          UH, OPS HAS INCREASED THE PENSION COSTS BY 47%, AND THAT'S A $240,000 INCREASE OVER WHAT WAS BUDGETED LAST YEAR. 
          AND JUST AGAIN, THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS. 
          AND AGAIN, A WORKMAN'S COMP AND PAYROLL TAXES. 
          AND THOSE INCREASED BECAUSE WE'RE STAFFED WHERE WE SHOULD BE. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          YES, SIR. 
          I DO WANT TO EMPHASIZE THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I KNOW  24 7 POLICING DOES COST, AND THIS IS ONE OF THE COST FACTORS OF IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, 200 AND, WHAT'D YOU SAY? 247,240,000. 
          240,000. 
          UM, THIS IS GONNA BE A CONTINUAL COST OF HAVING, UM, A 24 7 POLICE DEPARTMENT ON TOP OF LAST YEAR. 
          BECAUSE WE WERE NOT FULLY STAFFED THE ENTIRE YEAR, WE WERE ABLE TO ABSORB THIS COST AND THE SALARIES LINE ITEM. 
          WE HAD TO ITEMIZE THIS THIS YEAR. 
          AND A FEW OTHER ITEMS THAT CHIEF CAN EXPLAIN. 
          JUST BECAUSE WE'RE FULLY STAFFED NOW, WE CANNOT LEAN ON THE SALARIES OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO THIS IS A CONTINUAL COST AND COST OF DOING BUSINESS, UM, THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL JUST, UH, I'LL SUM UP THE SALARY AND BENEFIT BY SAYING THIS. 
          OUR SALARIES AND BENEFITS CONSTITUTE 87% OF THE POLICE DEPARTS OVERALL BUDGET. 
          THAT LEADS OF 13% OPERATING BUDGET TO, TO RUN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT INCLUDES A $62,000 ANNUAL RENEWAL FEE FOR THE BODY-WORN CAMERA PROGRAM. 
          WE'RE ON A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT. 
          WE'RE IN THE, THE THIRD YEAR OF THAT. 
          I FULLY EXPECT THOSE COSTS WILL INCREASE WHEN WE HAVE TO RENEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. 
          UH, BUT THE BODY WORN CAMERAS, UH, THE BIENNIAL PSYCH, UH, PSYCHOLOGICAL ASSESSMENTS, THE ANNUAL PHYSICAL ASSESSMENTS, AND EVEN THE MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT ALL REQUIRED UNDER SAMPLE 71 PASSED IN 2021 BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 
          THEY WERE ALL UNFUNDED MANDATES. 
          ALL OF THOSE COSTS ARE ENCAPSULATED IN THE 13% OF THE OPERATING COSTS. 
          THAT'S BEFORE WE PUT GAS IN OUR CARS, UM, MAINTENANCE FOR OUR VEHICLES, UH, PURCHASE UNIFORMS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE. 
          AND, UH, THIS PAST GENERAL SUNDAY SESSION, UH, THE GENERAL SUNDAY PASSED IN ANOTHER BILL, RIGHTFULLY SO, DEALING WITH BODY ARMOR REQUIRING ALL POLICE DEPARTMENTS NOT ONLY TO PROVIDE BODY ARMOR, WHICH WOULD SEEM TO MAKE SENSE, BUT TO MAKE SURE THAT BODY ARMOR THAT'S EXPIRED IS REPLACED IN A TIMELY FASHION. 
          BODY ARMOR DOES HAVE A FIVE YEAR LIFE EXPECTANCY AND IT'S EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. 
          ONE WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY WOULD HAVE TO PASS A BILL ON, BUT, UH, BECAUSE OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING IN OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, UH, THAT BECAME NECESSARY. 
          SO, UH, JUST SHARE THAT WITH THE MAYOR COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY. 
          THAT'S JUST THE COST OF, OF OPERATING THE, UH, OPERATING THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          UH, THE, UH, BECAUSE THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, THE, UH, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY HAS A NUMBER OF EVENTS. 
          NATIONAL NIGHT OUT. 
          WE PARTICIPATE IN DAY AND, AND OFFSET SOME OF THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THE SHOP WITH A COP, UH, THAT COMES OUTTA THAT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO DO THIS YEAR WITHOUT ANY EXPENSE TO THE TOWN WAS OUR HOLIDAY VILLAGE, WHICH A LOT OF THE CHILDREN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF DURING THE DECEMBER AND JANUARY TIMEFRAME. 
          UH, OUR HALLOWEEN EVENT, WHICH THIS YEAR I THINK ATTRACTED PROBABLY CLOSE TO 2000 RESIDENTS, I'M NOT SURE THEY WERE ALL SEVERAL RESIDENTS. 
          I THINK THE WORD TRAVELED PRETTY FAR, UH, THAT WE, WE, WE DID A PRETTY GOOD HALLOWEEN EVENT, BUT ALL OF THAT, ALL OF THAT, UH, THAT YOU, THAT WE HAD THERE, INCLUDING THE 17 FOOT, UH, GARGANTUAN, UM, DEAD ENDLESS HORSE, YES, UH, WAS ALL, WAS ALL SOLICITED, 
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UH, THROUGH, UH, FROM BUSINESSES IN AND AROUND THE TOWN AND WAS, AND WAS COVERED AT NO COST TO THE TOWN. 
          UH, LIKEWISE THIS YEAR FOR PUBLIC SAFETY DAY, WHICH IS JUNE THE FIFTH. 
          I PUT THAT ON YOUR CALENDAR. 
          JUNE THE FIFTH, FRIDAY, JUNE THE FIFTH, I SAY ONE MORE TIME. 
          AND, UH, SO FAR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ACQUIRED NEARLY $10,000 IN DONATIONS BETWEEN MONETARY AND, UH, GIFT DONATIONS, UH, AT NO COST TO THE TOWN. 
          SO, UH, WE, WE SHARE THAT BECAUSE WE ALL SHARE RESPONSIBILITY AND WE WORK VERY COLLABORATIVELY WITH, UH, MR. GALLWAY TO, UH, TRY TO OFFSET AS MUCH OF THAT COST AS WE CAN. 
          AND, AND OUR BUSINESS, OUR BUSINESSES ARE VERY GENEROUS IN THE TOWN HERE, SO WE'RE APPRECIATIVE OF THAT. 
          UM, LAST THING I JUST WANT TO SPEAK TO IS, UH, THE, UH, WE HAVE, UH, SOLICITED THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR A GRANT FOR ENCRYPTED RADIOS. 
          THE COUNTY IS MOVING TOWARDS ENCRYPTED RADIOS. 
          UH, THAT'S A COST OF TO THE TOWN OF AT A APPROXIMATELY HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          UH, DELICATE IVY WORKED VERY HARD TO GET MONEY INTO THE STATE BUDGET. 
          UM, THE BILL WAS PASSED, THE MONEY WAS THERE, HOW IT'S GONNA GET ALLOCATED THROUGH THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE OF CRIME CONTROL AND PREVENTION STILL REMAINS TO BE SEEN. 
          UH, LIKEWISE, UH, CONGRESSMAN IVY HAS, UH, UH, UH, REQUESTED US TO COMPLETE THE GRANT APPLICATIONS, WHICH THE DEPUTY CHIEF DID FOR FEDERAL EARMARKED MONEY. 
          AND I SPOKE WITH HIS CHIEF OF STAFF TODAY, AND HE'S FOLLOWING UP WITH APPROPRIATION. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, IT'S A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS FOR ENCRYPTED RADIOS. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT THROUGH THROUGH GRANT FUNDING. 
          UM, OUR OVERALL BUDGET INCREASE OVER THE LAST YEAR'S, UH, JUST SHY OF $600,000, BUT AGAIN, I POINT TO 240,000 THAT WAS JUST IN THE RETIREMENT ALONE. 
          SO WE HAVE REDUCED OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES. 
          UH, WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN A WAY THAT'S, UH, JUDICIOUS, KEEPING IN MIND THAT CERTAIN THINGS, SPECIAL EVENTS, OPERATIONAL NECESSITY IN COURT OVER TIME ARE SOMETIMES OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          SO, VERY QUICKLY, HOW MANY SWORN OFFICERS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS BUDGET? AND HOW MANY CIVILIANS DO YOU HAVE IN THIS BUDGET? SO WE HAVE, WE, WE REQUESTED TWO ADDITIONAL SWORN, SO THAT WOULD'VE TAKEN OUR SWORN TO 22. 
          WE FROZE ONE THAT'S REFLECTED IN THE REDUCTION IN THIS SALARY LINE OVER WHAT WAS PROVIDED IN AMER COUNSEL IN APRIL. 
          AND WE HAVE THREE CIVILIAN PERSONNEL. 
          AND SO YOU HAVE ONE FROZEN DETECTIVE, ONE FROZEN DETECTIVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          MR. GALLOWAY, SORRY TO BACKTRACK, BUT BACK IN THE FIVE HUNDREDS. 
          YES, YES. 
          BACK IN, IN 5 3 0 1 0 0. 
          DO YOU NOT ALSO HAVE A FROZEN POSITION IN, IN THE FRONT OFFICE? I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE TWO. 
          PLEASE ELABORATE. 
          I HAVE THE ASSISTANT POSITION RIGHT. 
          AND ALSO HAVE, UH, THE PART-TIME CODE COMPLIANCE POSITION THAT'S FROZEN. 
          SO FROZEN, YEAH. 
          PART-TIME CODE. 
          SO ESSENTIALLY ONE AND A HALF. 
          ONE AND A HALF. 
          YEAH. 
          TWO BODIES, BUT ONE AND A HALF POSITIONS PART CODE THAT THOSE ARE BOTH FROZEN. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU. 
          UM, THANK YOU CHIEF, I APPRECIATE, UM, THIS BEING LOWER THAN IT WAS. 
          UM, CAN YOU TALK ME THROUGH HOW THE WADA MONEY WORKS? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO WE, UH, WE HAVE A ANNUAL CONTRACT WITH WADA RAMADA REIMBURSES OUR OFFICERS. 
          THEY, THEY REIMBURSE THE TOWN. 
          WE PAY THE OFFICER'S SALARY FOR WORKING THAT OVERTIME ASSIGNMENT AT A, UH, AT A RATE THAT'S PRE-DESCRIBED BY THE CONTRACT. 
          RAMADA REIMBURSES THE TOWN FOR NOT ONLY THE COST OF THE OFFICERS, BUT AN ADDITIONAL ADMINISTRATIVE FEE ON TOP. 
          SO THE, UH, THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE, THE, LET ME GO BACK TO THE FY 25, IT'S BUDGETED 291,000. 
          THAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF THE RAMADA CONTRACT. 
          UH, YOU SEE THAT WE'VE SPENT APPROXIMATELY 50, I LIKE 56,000 OF THAT. 
          UH, IT'S, THAT'S AN ENORMOUS, IT'S, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY BUDGET THAT THEY ALLOT. 
          THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT IT'S A, IT'S NOT JUST COST NEUTRAL. 
          IT'S COST BENEFIT TO THE TOWN BECAUSE THE TOWN RECEIVES ADMINISTRATIVE FEES BACK WHEN ALL OFFICERS WORK. 
          THAT EMPLOYMENT, 
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UH, KEEPING IN MIND A PART OF THAT CONTRACT, AND WE JUST RENEWED IT AGAIN FROM THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, PART OF THAT CONTRACT, UH, UH, LIMITS THE NUMBER OF HOURS TO OPERATIONAL HOURS THAT RAMADA DEEMS MOST ESSENTIAL TO HAVE ADDITIONAL SECURITY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO THE EXPENSE HERE IS THE SALARY THAT YOU ARE PAYING THE OFFICERS THAT GETS REIMBURSED IN THE REVENUE OVER HERE? YES, MA'AM. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE IN THE REVENUE, I WAS JUST A LITTLE CONFUSED. 
          'CAUSE IN THE REVENUE, IT'S ZEROED OUT FOR ADMINISTRATIVE FEES AND ONLY HAS THE 100,000 FOR OVERTIME. 
          I DON'T THINK THEY BREAK IT DOWN ON PAGE TWO. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW TO NUMBER THESE PAGES. 
          YES, SHE DID. 
          UM, ON THE SECOND PAGE OF REVENUE AT THE BOTTOM YEAH, I'M TRYING TO FIND IT. 
          FIND, SO RIGHT NOW IT'S, IT'S ESSENTIALLY ZEROS ITSELF OUT. 
          IT, THE, THE, THE REVENUE SHOULD HAVE, IT'S, UH, IT'S ABOUT A 10% ADMINISTRATIVE FEE ADDED ON TOP OF THE, THE COST. 
          SO THAT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE INCREASED. 
          OKAY. 
          FOR THE REVENUE SIDE, IT'S A 10 TH AN EXTRA $10,000. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YES, MAAM. 
          I, I'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT. 
          I, I THOUGHT WE HAD PUT IN THAT FEE. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN ANY PLACE ELSE, BUT WE'LL MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT RIGHT NOW. 
          I THINK SO. 
          GOOD. 
          GOOD CATCH. 
          VICE MAYOR. 
          ANYONE ELSE? UH, QUESTIONS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? MR. WADE? I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT WAS JUST HEARD OF. 
          AS Y'ALL KNOW, I'M THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT GUY. 
          OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, $20,000, THEY'RE SAVING THE TOWN FOR THEIR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. 
          UM, THAT IS AMAZING AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THAT. 
          UM, THAT JUNE 6TH EVENT, ESPECIALLY FOR, UH, IS AMAZING IF YOU HAVEN'T ATTENDED, BUT ESPECIALLY WITH THE YOUTH, IT'S REALLY BIG. 
          SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT EFFORT AND UH, THANK YOU FOR SAVING US AMONG YOU, BUT PARTICULARLY WITH THAT GOING OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND DOING THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WELL WE'RE, WE'RE FINDING ADDITIONAL WAYS TO SAVE THIS YEAR. 
          WE'RE COOKING OUR OWN FOOD ALMOST, AND, UH, PROVIDING OTHER ENTERTAINMENT. 
          SO, UH, WHO'S COOKING AND NOT WHO'S COOKING THE FOOD? YEAH. 
          LET'S NOT BE PENNY WISE, 10 POUND FOR US. 
          YOU WAITED LAST YEAR, DIDN'T YOU? OH, IT WAS YOU. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT ME. 
          SHOTS FIRED. 
          SHOTS FIRED. 
          SHOTS FIRED. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSEL FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? ME. 
          ALRIGHT, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC WORKS AND THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THAT WAY. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS ON THE 600 SERIES SPENDING YOUR NAME AWARD. 
          UM, JULIA MOSELEY. 
          JULIA MOSELEY, WARD TWO. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT IN PREVIOUS YEARS AS TO WHAT HOLIDAY HOLIDAYS WORKED, THE 115,000, WAS THAT IN A DIFFERENT LINE ITEM IN PREVIOUS YEARS? YES, MA'AM. 
          SO YES MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          SO THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL, THE HOLIDAY PAY AND FIELD TRAINING, WE, WE, IN THE FY 26 BUDGET OF 1.9 MILLION, WE KNEW THAT WE WERE NOT FULLY STAFFED. 
          WE KNEW WE WERE NOT GONNA ACHIEVE THAT FULL STAFFING. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO ABSORB THE COSTS OF THAT ADDITIONAL MONEY IN THE, IN THE SALARY LINE. 
          THIS YEAR, BECAUSE WE ARE ARE STAFFED, WE WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE AND SEGREGATE THAT SO THAT THE COMMUNITY COULD SEE. 
          THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL SALARIES, UH, ADDITIONAL MONIES THAT ARE PAID TO COMPENSATE OUR OFFICERS FOR THE HOLIDAY FIELD TRAINING. 
          AND, UH, THE, UH, AND THE SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL. 
          SO IT WAS INCORPORATED, IT, IT WAS INCORPORATED IN, IN THE DIFFERENT, IT WAS INCORPORATED IN THE SALARY LINE AND WE SEGREGATED IT THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT THE SALARY LINE SHOWS JUST THE BASE SALARIES. 
          YES. 
          THEY CUT THE BUDGET. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPENDING? YEAH, I'M PROVIDED FREE, UH, PERSONAL OPINION. 
          YES. 
          LEILA AZI. 
          WORD ONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT I, WHAT I VERY MUCH ENJOYED HEARING IS HOW YOU'RE PURSUING GRANT OPPORTUNITIES AND DONATIONS AND THAT, I MEAN, DOING THAT IN ANOTHER, UM, PAT, IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT IT MAKES A LOT OF DIFFERENCE ON MULTIPLE LEVELS. 
          UM, I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS THAT MORE THAN ANYTHING IN SOME CASES MAY REFLECT, UM, MY, MY IGNORANCE. 
          BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK AT IS WORKMAN'S COMP. 
          SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING, AND IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THIS, IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE TO LOWER OUR WORKMAN'S COMP, UM, SOMETIMES THAT'S 
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TRAINING, UM, SOMETIMES THAT'S SOME INCIDENTS THAT HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO WHEN YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY, THE OTHER THING, UM, IS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND SPECIALIZED SERVICES. 
          UM, AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S JUST FOR MY INFORMATION. 
          AND THEN TO UNDERSTAND IS IT ACTS ON AND IF THAT'S BODY CAMERA AND LOOKING AT, AND IF THAT'S THE CASE AND LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, UM, IF YOU EXPECT AN INCREASE OR IF YOU EXPECT THOSE FIGURES TO BE ACCURATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I, I'LL DEFER TO MR. GALLOWAY AS TO THE WORKMAN'S COMP, BUT THAT'S, UH, THAT'S INSURANCE. 
          UH, CERTAINLY WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING AT RISK MANAGEMENT ISSUES AND ADDRESSING, UH, UH, THOSE TO THE DEGREE THAT WE CAN. 
          UH, SO, UH, WE'VE HAD, UH, A NUMBER OF, UH, SITUATIONS WHERE, UH, UH, OFFICER ONE OFFICER WAS REAR-ENDED, UH, IN A MOTOR VEHICLE COLLISION. 
          THOSE THINGS HAPPEN, UH, NO FAULT OF THE OFFICER. 
          SO, UH, THOSE INJURIES ALL BECOME WORKMAN'S COMP CLAIMS AND AFFECT OUR INSURANCE. 
          BUT I'LL LET MR. GALLOWAY SPEAK MORE TO THAT. 
          AND THEN I'LL SPEAK TO THE AXON. 
          YEAH, OUR, OUR WORKMAN'S COMP, THOSE ARE THE, PRETTY MUCH THE PRICES THAT ARE SET BY THE MARKET AND THE AREA IN WHICH WE LIVE. 
          CHESAPEAKE INSURANCE, UM, THAT, THOSE ARE OUR WORKERS' COMP, UH, INSURANCE AGENCIES THAT PRETTY MUCH PROVIDE US WITH OUR QUOTES THAT IT'S A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, WORKERS' COMP TYPE OF INSURANCE. 
          AND SO AS FAR AS SHOPPING THIS OUT, WE'RE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AS IT RELATES TO A MUNICIPALITY WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          BUT TYPICALLY THESE CLAIMS ARE GENERALLY MORE HIGHER IN A POLICE DEPARTMENT, ESPECIALLY WITH A GROWING POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE OF THE RISK. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT. 
          AND AS IT RELATES TO THE AXON, THE AXON THAT IS BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THAT'S OUR IN-CAR CAMERAS, UH, WHICH I WILL SAY IS YOUR CHIEF, I THINK ARE, UH, EQUALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE IN-CAR CAMERAS CAPTURE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES AND DIFFERENT VIEWS THAN WHAT THE BODY-WORN CAMERA CAPTURES. 
          UH, THAT ALSO INCLUDES OUR ELECTRONIC CONTROL DEVICES, WHICH ARE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS TASERS, AS WELL AS THE DEVICES ON OUR HOLSTERS THAT, UH, ACTIVATE BODY-WORN CAMERAS AUTOMATICALLY WHEN A FIREARM IS DRAWN FROM THE HOLSTER. 
          SO, UH, THAT 62,000 IS A CONTRACTED FEE. 
          WE'RE IN A FIVE YEAR CONTRACT WITH, UM, WITH AXON AND I, I, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE WE ARE IN YEAR ENTERING YEAR THREE. 
          SO THAT 62,000 IS LOCKED IN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONTRACT. 
          UH, DO I EXPECT THAT COST TO INCREASE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          UH, WHEN WE RENEGOTIATE THAT NEXT CONTRACT SPECIAL, DO YOU WANNA ADDRESS THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES? YES, UH, SO, UH, THE SPECIALIZED SERVICES IS EVERYTHING FROM, UH, OUR BIENNIAL PSYCH ASSESSMENTS, UM, THAT, UH, THAT IS REQUIRED BY LAW, OUR ANNUAL FITNESS ASSESSMENTS, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY LAW, THE, UH, MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE. 
          AND THE LAW SPECIFICALLY SAID IT CAN BE AT NO COST TO THE OFFICER. 
          SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THOSE. 
          UH, THE, UH, THE AMOUNT RIGHT NOW IS, SEEMS LIKE WE HAVEN'T SPENT A LOT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE MOVING CLOSER TO THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR AND THOSE THINGS ARE COMING DUE. 
          SO THAT BILL WILL, THAT, THAT INVOICE WILL EVENTUALLY CATCH UP. 
          AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER SPECIALIZED SERVICES, A LOT OF OTHER SERVICES, UH, UH, POLICY MANUALS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, UH, ARE ALL PAID OUT OF THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, LET US GO TO ANNA CLAY, WHO IS ONLINE. 
          CAN YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK? UM, YES. 
          HI. 
          UM, HELLO. 
          I, UM, JUST HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE OVERTIME, SPECIFICALLY THE OPERATIONAL NECESSITY. 
          UM, I'M JUST LOOKING FOR CLARIFICATION THAT IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FULLY STAFFED, MINUS THE DETECTIVE IN ANOTHER POSITION, WHAT IS THE OPERATIONAL NECESSITY FOR OVERTIME? THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION. 
          THE OPERATIONAL NECESSITY, IT COULD, IT CAN, UM, COUNT FOR MAKING LATE ARRESTS. 
          IT CAN ACCOUNT FOR, UH, BACK FILLING OUR STAFFING, KEEPING IN MIND THAT OUR STAFFING FLUCTUATED CONSIDERABLY OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          AND THERE WERE PERIODS OF TIME WHERE WE HAD TO BACKFILL THE SHIFTS WITH, UH, UM, WITH OFF-DUTY PERSONNEL. 
          THAT'S WHY THAT EXPENDITURE, UH, FOR THE ACTUAL FY 26 HAS EXCEEDED THE, UH, THE, UH, BUDGETED AMOUNT. 
          THE, UH, IT ALSO KEEP IN MIND THAT, 
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UH, OUR OFFICERS ARE REQUIRED TO DO 40 HOURS OF, UH, ANNUAL TRAINING TO INCLUDE THE FIREARMS TRAINING. 
          SO WHEN YOU TAKE, TAKE AN OFFICERS OUT OF SERVICE FOR THE TRAINING, UH, 20 OFFICERS AT A WEEK'S TIME IS, UH, IS 20 WEEKS. 
          UH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIRED. 
          SO WE, UH, WHEN YOU, UH, OUR OFFICERS TAKE TWO WEEKS OF ANNUAL LEAVE, THEY GET A WEEK OF SICK LEAVE, ALL OF THAT ADDS UP. 
          AND THAT OPERATIONAL ITY IS USED TO BACKFILL THOSE SHIFTS. 
          SO YOU CAN FIGURE THAT, UH, WHEN YOU, IF, IF WE CAMP THE WEEKS OUT, AND THIS IS WHY THE AVERAGE IS 5.5 OFFICERS TO FILL 1 24 HOUR SHIFT, THAT'S A NATIONAL STANDARD OF THE IACP, THE, UH, WHEN THE OFFICERS TAKE LEAVE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, WE'RE BACK FILLING. 
          THAT'S THE ADDITIONAL COST FOR THE OPERATIONAL NECESSITY. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT CLARIFIES AND ANSWERS THE QUESTION. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UH, I THINK THAT CONCLUDES, OH, GO AHEAD. 
          COME ON UP, GEORGE. 
          JOE JONES, WARD SIX. 
          THIS IS MORE OF A COMMENT THAN A QUESTION, I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY AND COMPARATIVE, UH, YEAR OVER YEAR FOR YOUR EXPENSES WHEN THINGS ARE COVERED LIKE, UH, HOLIDAY WORK, THE HOLIDAY WORK, WHETHER IT WAS COVERED, IT OCCURRED LAST YEAR, ALTHOUGH IT WAS SHOWN SOMEPLACE ELSE, IT'S EASIER FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE THAT IT ACTUALLY HAPPENS EACH YEAR IF IT'S SHOWN IN THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM. 
          SO IF THE EXPENSES ARE PUT IN THE LINE ITEM WHERE THEY OCCURRED, I THINK IT'S MORE TRANSPARENT AND FOLKS CAN SEE YEAR OVER YEAR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE DID, AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHY WE DIFFERENTIATED IT THIS YEAR. 
          THIS IS A, UH, THE BUDGET IS A WORK IN PROGRESS AND WE'RE, WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCREASE THAT TRANSPARENCY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THE POLICE PROPOSED SPENDING? HEARING NONE. 
          I THINK THAT TAKES US TO THE 700 SERIES PUBLIC WORKS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW, UM, WHAT YOU SAW LAST TIME HAD SIX FROZEN POSITIONS AND EVEN INCLUDING, UM, THE CUSTODIAL POSITIONS THAT'S ABOUT, WE'RE CURRENTLY AT ABOUT 23% OF STAFF HAS BEEN FROZEN. 
          IN PRIOR YEARS. 
          WE HAD, UH, FOUR, UH, FROZEN POSITIONS. 
          SO THIS YEAR WE ADDED ANOTHER FROZEN LABOR AND A VACANT CDL UH, POSITION. 
          UM, EQUIPMENT OPERATOR WAS ALSO FROZEN. 
          UM, FOR US, ABOUT 60% OF OUR BUDGET IS SALARY. 
          UM, INTERESTINGLY ON THE FIRST PAGE WE'RE ACTUALLY COMING IN, I CALCULATE ABOUT $93,000 LOWER THAN THE LAST TIME THAT, THAT YOU, UH, SAW US. 
          UM, SO JUST THE, FROM FY 26 TO THE PROPOSED FY 27, WE HAVE, I BELIEVE JUST ABOUT UNDER 2% INCREASE. 
          UM, BUT YOU, I WOULD ALSO NOTE TOO THAT THE, UH, THE, THE REGULAR PENSION SYSTEM, UM, IT'S CALLED THE REFORM OR SOME STILL IN THE ALTERNATE, UH, PENSION SYSTEM, UH, WITH MARYLAND WENT UP AS WELL DURING THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. 
          AND THIS YEAR AS WELL THAT IT WENT UP FROM ONE 50 WAS BUDGETED TO 2 0 4. 
          UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M TRYING TO WRESTLE WITH AS WE END THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          UM, BUT THOSE, UH, SALARY AND BENEFITS ARE, ARE THERE. 
          UM, WE'RE KEEPING OVERTIME FLAT. 
          UM, OVERTIME THIS YEAR THOUGH DID GO OVER, UM, OBVIOUSLY WITH THE SNOW IS, UH, ONE, ONE OF THE BIG EVENTS, UM, OR SNOW CREEK I SHOULD SAY. 
          HOPEFULLY THAT IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME. 
          WE DO SUPPORT A LOT OF, UH, UH, EVENTS AS WELL. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY THOUGH THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THAT, UH, ANOTHER POSITION WHICH MAY NOT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, SUPPLANT THE, UH, OVERTIME WOULD PROBABLY BE WITH FRINGE ABOUT 65 TO $70,000. 
          SO ACTUALLY WORKING, UH, I THINK THE, UH, EXISTING EMPLOYEES IN OVERTIME IS ACTUALLY A COST BENEFIT, UH, TO, TO US. 
          UM, AND SO MOVING DOWN THROUGH TRAVEL AND TRAINING AND AUTO INSURANCE, THOSE ARE ALL REMAINING SIMILAR. 
          UM, IN FACT, I THINK IF YOU GO ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, BUILDING CONTINGENCIES THAT IS $10,000 LOWER THAN WHAT YOU SAW LAST TIME. 
          SO I BELIEVE ALL THE LINES ARE, ARE SIMILARLY, UH, LINED UP. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT LAST TIME YOU SAW IT, AND I'M LOOKING AT WHAT, AT WHAT, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING AT LAST TIME, BUT THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, UM, SOMEHOW 
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THIS GOT BY ME. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T THINK WE WERE LOOKING TO PROPOSE ZEROING THAT OUT. 
          UM, WE, UH, WE FLUCTUATE FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          UM, BUT IN PARTICULAR I'VE BEEN TRYING TO POSITION THAT FUND TO HELP WITH EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE GONNA NEED WITH WHETHER IT'S EVERYDAY OPERATIONS THAT WE'VE NEEDED OVER THE YEARS. 
          BUT ADDITIONALLY TOO, WITH THIS NEW BUILDING, UM, THE CONTINGENCIES, I WOULD NOTE I HAVE ABOUT 34, 30 $5,000 IN MAINTENANCE AGREEMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO EXECUTE. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHEN THAT TIME TO EXECUTE 'EM IS, UM, THAT'S, THAT'S IN THAT, UH, PUBLIC WORKS CONTINGENCY. 
          SO WE REALLY ONLY HAVE ABOUT 10,000 ABOVE THAT FOR CONTINGENCIES FOR THE NEW BUILDING. 
          UM, AND ALSO I WOULD JUST NOTE WE'VE TRIED TO RECOGNIZE OR TAKE OUT SOME OF THE UM, UM, UM, I GUESS EARMARKS OR OTHER MONIES. 
          I MEAN, UM, WHEN WE WERE HEARING THE COMMENTS, I ADDED IT UP. 
          I BELIEVE WE'VE, WE'VE BROUGHT IN THE PAST COUPLE YEARS ABOUT 3 MILLION OR OVER $3 MILLION OF, UH, GRANTS EARMARKS, DIFFERENT THINGS TO, TO THE TOWN AT NO COST TO THE, EXCEPT FOR STAFF TIME, BUT AT NO COST TO THE, UH, UH, DOWN. 
          THOSE ARE NON MATCHING. 
          THE FEMA HAD A MATCHING. 
          WE ACTUALLY FOUND CLEANER WATER PARTNERSHIP TO STEP IN WITH OVER $500,000 TO BE OUR MATCH. 
          UM, UH, THE, UH, UH, I THINK THERE'S ALSO THE, UH, UH, STORM WATER GRANT, UH, JUST CAME DIRECTLY TO US. 
          SO THERE'S SOME OTHERS TO, UM, PROJECT CHARGES AND DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          SO, UM, I THINK ACTUALLY WE'VE, WE'VE, WE'VE WORKED ON PUBLIC WORKS HAS PLAYED A PART IN THAT. 
          EVERYBODY'S PLAYED A PART IN THAT. 
          UM, SO WITH RESPECT TO THE FIRST PAGE, I DIDN'T GO LINE BY LINE, BUT I DID CHECK POINT OUT. 
          SO THE, THE 2,000,006 12, THAT'S THE PROPOSAL, OR IT'S NOT THE PROPOSAL. 
          IT  IT'S THE PROPOSAL WITH THE, WITH THE FOOTNOTE THAT THAT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, UM, GOT BY ME LAST TIME AND I, I DON'T BELIEVE WE WERE INTENDING TO ZERO IT OUT. 
          I THINK I CAN MAYBE TOUCH, THAT'S MORE THAN A FOOTNOTE. 
          IS IT, ARE YOU PROPOSING, UH, WHEN I GET THROUGH THEN THERE'S, THERE'S THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM THAT CAME UP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM IS $45,000. 
          AND SO IF WE COULD PAUSE FOR THAT, I'LL CIRCLE BACK. 
          MR. MAYOR, IS THAT ALL RIGHT? THAT OKAY? THAT SOUNDS FINE. 
          LET'S KEEP GOING. 
          IF WE, IF WE GO OVER TO THE, UH, DIVISIONS UNDER THE STREET MAINTENANCE, UM, I DID, UH, PROPOSE CUTTING THE GENERAL FUND MONIES TO ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. 
          I WILL SAY THAT I THINK WE ALWAYS OUGHT TO BE INVESTING GENERAL FUND MONIES INTO THE ASPHALT AND CONCRETE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, BUT RIGHT NOW WE STILL ARE GETTING HUR MONIES. 
          UM, I WAS ASKED ABOUT THE PAST YEARS. 
          WE ARE, UM, UH, UH, SPENDING A LOT OF THAT ON THE EAST SIDE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, I EXPECT US TO ROLL INTO, UM, UH, FY 27 WITH ABOUT 400, 450,000 OF HUR. 
          THAT INCLUDES THIS 360 3 PLUS A LITTLE BIT LEFT OVER AND WE'RE GONNA SPEND SOME MORE. 
          UM, BUT THE STATE HAS CUT HUR BACK IN THE PAST AND THAT'S SOMETHING YOU ALWAYS NEED TO BE AWARE, AWARE OF, BUT IN THIS TIGHT TIMES REDUCING IT. 
          AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS, IF WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO POUR SOME CONCRETE SOMEWHERE THAT MAY NOT DIRECTLY ALIGN WITH HUR, I GET TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AND STILL DO THE ROAD THAT CLEARLY ALIGNS WITH HUR MONIES. 
          UM, BUT I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY REDUCTION ON THE SECOND PAGE AT THIS POINT. 
          SO, UM, I BELIEVE ALL THOSE SUBTOTALS ARE PROPOSED AT THIS, THIS POINT, MR. MAYOR. 
          GREAT. 
          OKAY. 
          IF WE GO, OH YEAH. 
          SO NOW WE'RE ON THE LAST PAGE. 
          YEP. 
          WE GO THE LAST PAGE. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THESE I BELIEVE ARE SIMILAR. 
          I WILL NOTE THAT THE GAS OIL GREASE WE'RE REALLY, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE REAL TIGHT, IF NOT MAYBE OVER 60, UM, UH, THIS YEAR. 
          I KNOW THE ACTUALS, UH, DON'T REFLECT THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT WITH THE GAS PRICING, BUT I'M PROBABLY GONNA, UH, PROPOSE CHANGING THAT LINE ITEM, JUST GAS AND PUT THE OIL AND GREASE IN THE GARAGE CONSUMABLES. 
          BUT, UM, I WOULD THOUGH, UH, UH, FOR NUMBER WISE JUST INDICATE THAT, UM, THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM WE HAD BROUGHT THAT UP PREVIOUSLY. 
          UM, PUTTING A HUNDRED PERCENT COST ON THE, UH, ON, ON THE TOWN, MAKING IT FREE FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          NOT EVERYBODY, WE'D BE INCLUDED IN THAT. 
          THAT'S 130 HOMES. 
          UM, BUT THAT IS $45,000. 
          UM, THAT IS AN EXPANSION OF SERVICES AT A TIME WHEN WE'RE HAVING TO TIGHTEN OUR BELT. 
          UM, THAT DOES MAKE IT DIFFICULT. 
          SO, UM, ONE THING THAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS, UH, TAKING UH, UH, SOME OR ALL OF THAT AND, UH, MOVING IT BACK INTO, UH, EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AND, UH, DELETING THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM FOR THE TIME BEING. 
          I CONCUR. 
          COUNSEL, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM? 
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SO THE PROGRAM WOULD BE ZEROED OUT HERE AND WOULD CONTINUE TO EXIST? WHAT MEAN IN A PILOT MODE? GO AHEAD. 
          I THINK AS COUNCIL MEMBER FRY SUGGESTED EARLIER, IF IT'S A PROGRAM THAT PEOPLE WANT AND PEOPLE CAN PAY FOR IT, THAT WAS IN MY LIST. 
          I, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE THAT IS AN OPTION. 
          UM, I THINK WE'D WANNA EXPLORE SOME MORE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN BE THE MEDIATOR BETWEEN THE COMPANY AND THE RESIDENTS, UM, SWAPPING THE COSTS. 
          AND SO IF THE RESIDENTS WANT TO CONTINUE AND PAY THE COMPANY, I BELIEVE THE COMPANY WILL ADMINISTER THAT. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO FACILITATE THAT COMMUNICATION. 
          UM, I THINK YOU ALL HEAR A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT, BUT GIVEN, GIVEN THE, GIVEN THE BUDGET, GIVEN THE TIMINGS, GIVEN WHAT, WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DECIDE UPON, I THINK IT MIGHT BE A NECESSARY CUT, LET, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. 
          SO WHEN I SAID I HAD A LIST OF IDEAS I THREW OUT THERE AND I DIDN'T LOVE ALL OF THEM, THAT WAS ONE OF 'EM. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, IT IS SOMETHING THAT, UH, , IT WAS AN EXPANSION OF SERVICES. 
          IT WAS SOMETHING THAT, UH, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, UH, MR. RAYMOND IN THE PAST OF WANTING TO DO. 
          AND I THINK IT WAS GREAT THAT, UM, THAT THE TOWN TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE OFFER TO WORK WITH EDMUNDSTON TO DO THE PILOT PRO PROGRAM. 
          UM, IF THE TOWN SERVES AS THE MEDIATOR, I THINK THAT HELPS. 
          IF THERE'S ANY WAY, 'CAUSE THAT WOULD GIVE US THE REDUCED COST AS LIKE A GROUP DOING IT. 
          I, I I BELIEVE THE COSTS WILL REMAIN SIMILAR. 
          SO LIKE IF I TO DO IT BY MYSELF VERSUS DOING IT WITH THE TOWN, NO, I THINK, I THINK IT MIGHT BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO WORK WITH THE COMPANY THAT WE'VE ALIGNED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO LIKE, BASICALLY THE TOWN, BASICALLY WE WOULDN'T BE DELETING THE PROGRAM, WE'D BE TRANSFERRING THE COST OF THE RESIDENTS. 
          YEAH, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, SO LIKE, LET'S SAY I WANTED TO DO IT ALONE, RIGHT? WOULD IT COST ME MORE TO TRY TO DO THIS ALONE VERSUS AS A TOWN, ARE WE GETTING SOME SORT OF LIKE, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT, I BELIEVE THERE IS, THERE'S IT IS A LITTLE BIT OF DISCOUNT. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          AS YOU GET SOME NUMBERS, YOU DO GET A VOLUME DISCOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S HUGE, BUT ALSO A ONE OFF I THINK IS GONNA BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR, FOR A COMPANY TO PICK UP UNLESS THERE'S OTHERS IN THE AREA. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO WE ARE CURRENTLY CONTRACTED THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES. 
          SO THEN WE WOULD HAVE ABOUT SIX WEEKS TO NOTIFY RESIDENTS WHO ARE PART OF THE PROGRAM TO LET THEM KNOW WHAT THAT COST WILL LOOK LIKE AND IF THEY WANNA CONTINUE. 
          BECAUSE I THINK KNOWING IF THEY WANNA CONTINUE AND THEN ACTUALLY IF WE COULD OPEN IT UP TO OTHER RESIDENTS 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, JUST IN CASE OTHER PEOPLE DO WANNA TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. 
          UM, SO WE HAVE A BETTER IDEA BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR IT, SOME RESIDENTS MIGHT NOT WANT TO. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO IT'D BE GOOD TO KNOW. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T WANT, I DON'T KNOW THAT I WANNA COMMIT US TO BEING THE MEDIATOR. 
          IF WE END UP WITH LIKE JUST ME AND NICOLE DOING IT. 
          UH, MAYBE MEDIATORS NOT THE RIGHT WORD, BUT FACILITATING THE COMMUNICATION THEY'RE ALREADY TAKING OVER, LIKE THE ADMINISTRATION AND COMMUNICATION WITH THE RESIDENTS AND TRACKING. 
          SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO FINESSE THAT COMMUNICATION, UM, UM, HAPPENING, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY, I, I THINK I'D WANT THE TOWN INVOLVED TO SOME DEGREE. 
          I, I JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD THAT THIS THING OF MINE THAT I DO APPRECIATE AND ENJOY HAVING HERE, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT IS A WANT. 
          UM, ALTHOUGH IT IS VERY GOOD FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND FOR OUR HOMES AND, AND BEING ABLE TO SEE HOW MUCH WASTE WE PRODUCE, UM, JUST IN FOOD. 
          UM, SO I WILL SUPPORT THAT AT THIS TIME. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A WARRANT OF OURS AS WELL. 
          YES. 
          JUST, AND IF WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOKING TO LOOK FOR WAYS TO TRY TO SEE HOW WE CAN SUBSIDIZE IT NOT FROM OUR, OUR POCKETS, BUT MAYBE GRANTS OR THINGS LIKE THAT OUTSIDE OF, UM, YES. 
          SO JUST WANT IT ON THE RECORD. 
          OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR ON THE PUBLIC WORKS BUDGET. 
          AND THEN MR. WADE. 
          YEAH. 
          MY PREFERENCE WOULD ALSO BE IF WE CAN RETAIN THE STRUCTURE AND THE FRAMEWORK OF THE PROGRAM AS IT IS NOW AND PASS THE COST ONTO RESIDENTS THAT WANT TO KEEP DOING IT. 
          THAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE RATHER THAN JUST NOTING OUT OF ALL OF IT. 
          UM, BUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID JUST IN THE PAST FEW MINUTES GAVE ME THIS THOUGHT THAT I WANTED TO MENTION. 
          'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT GRANT MONEY AND WE SHOULD GET GRANTS IN ORDER TO AVOID A TAX INCREASE. 
          AND THE THING ABOUT GRANTS IS THAT THEY ARE MOSTLY NOT BUDGET RELIEVING. 
          UM, ALMOST ALL OF THE GRANTS THAT THE TOWN GETS ARE FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE IN ADDITION TO WHAT HAS BEEN BUDGETED. 
          AND THEY ARE AMAZING. 
          AND OFTENTIMES THOSE PROJECTS ARE VERY NECESSARY, BUT THEY ARE VERY RARELY BUDGETED AT THAT LEVEL 
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ALREADY IN THE BUDGET. 
          SO I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT'S CLEAR. 
          THEN WHEN IT'S, IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET A GRANT THAT WILL RELIEVE OPERATIONAL COSTS. 
          IT'S MUCH EASIER TO GET A GRANT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO PAY FOR A PROJECT THAT HAS NOT ALREADY BEEN BUDGETED FOR. 
          UM, SO I JUST, OUR TOWN IS GREAT AT GETTING GRANTS. 
          IT'S AMAZING. 
          THE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN LIKE TOWN CHANGING IN A LOT OF WAYS. 
          UH, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE NARRATIVE IS NOT, IF WE GET GRANTS, THEN WE WON'T NEED A TAX INCREASE. 
          MR. WADE, UH, THE FIRST PART DEALS WITH THE GRANTS JUST AGAIN, HAVE TO COMMEND THE PUBLIC WORKS ON THE LEVEL OF WORK THEY'VE DONE WITH THE GRANTS. 
          UM, NOT PART OF THE OPERATING BUDGET, BUT IT LITERALLY IS LIFE CHANGING FOR THE RESIDENTS. 
          SO I WANT TO COMMEND MR. BRA AND YOUR TEAM REGARDING THAT. 
          UM, I MENTIONED EARLIER WHEN I WAS TALKING TO DURING THE, UM, PREVIOUS HEARING ABOUT THE OVERTIME, UM, HOW I TALKED ABOUT FLEXING INDIVIDUAL'S TIMES. 
          SO WE HAVE TONS OF SATURDAY EVENTS OF, UH, MAYBE DOING A 10 HOUR SHIFT THAT DAY OR, UM, WHERE THE OVERTIME DOESN'T COME OVER THE WEEKENDS BECAUSE MOST OF THE OVERTIME OUTSIDE THE NATURAL DISASTERS SNOW CREEK, THAT THAT CAN BE USED VERSUS DURING THE, UH, EVENTS ON THE WEEKEND TIMES OR EVENING TIMES WHERE THE TIMES CAN BE FLEXED. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT? 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S STILL STAYED AT THE 60,000. 
          IT'S NOT A LOT, BUT IS THERE ANY WIGGLE ROOM IF THAT, UM, PEOPLE'S HOURS ARE FLEXED, BUT WE THANK YOU, UH, FOR THAT, UH, FOR, 'CAUSE WE NEED THE PUBLIC WORKS DURING THOSE PARTICULAR EVENTS FOR THAT. 
          BUT IS THERE ANY AVENUES OF WIGGLE ROOM REGARDING THAT TO LOWER THE BUDGET LINE ITEM? UM, WELL, IN ORDER TO TRY TO, UM, REDUCE CONTINUING OF USE OF OVERTIME THIS YEAR, WE'RE ACTUALLY FLEXING FOR THE PARKS, UH, UH, COVERAGE. 
          AND SO WE HAVE, UH, AN EMPLOYEE THAT COVERS SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, AND SO ON SATURDAY IT'S THE END OF THE WORK WEEK AND YOU HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THE WORK WEEK. 
          AND SO THE, UH, WEDNESDAY, THURSDAY AND FRIDAY, THEY'RE LEAVING AN HOUR EARLY FOR THEIR THREE HOURS OF PARKS. 
          AND SUNDAYS THEY HAVE MONDAY, TUESDAY, WEDNESDAY. 
          SO WE HAVE WEDNESDAY. 
          SO WE ARE EXPLORING THAT. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST POINT TO THE, WE ARE SIX POSITIONS LATE AS WELL, SO, UM, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT EMPTY HANDED, UM, AT, UH, 12 NOON AND, AND AT, AT THE LUNCHTIME. 
          THERE'S MORE THAN JUST MR. MR. CARDENAS AND I SITTING AT THE TABLE  WHEN WE GET THE CALL. 
          BUT, BUT, UM, YES, WE, WE, WE ARE TRYING TO DO, UH, THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE ARE FLEXING SOME SCHEDULES. 
          UM, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT SOMETIMES IN, IN A PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT TO DO LIKE, YOU KNOW, COMPRESSED WORK SCHEDULES, YOU KNOW, VERSUS PARTICULARLY WITH NON-EXEMPT EMPLOYEES VERSUS EXEMPT EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW. 
          SO, UM, SO WE, WE HAVE SOME LIMITATIONS, BUT WE'VE ALREADY, WE'RE ALREADY DABBLING IN THAT. 
          UH, ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          OH, MR. , GO AHEAD. 
          YES, I'D LIKE TO, UH, CHANNEL THE LORAX AND SPEAK FOR THE TREES. 
          UM, THE TREE SERVICE, IS THAT THE SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE FOR PEOPLE TO GET TREES IN THEIR YARDS? IS THAT, OR IS THAT TRIMMING TREES AROUND TOWN? IT'S ALL THING TREES. 
          ALL THINGS TREES. 
          AND, AND, AND IN FACT, THAT'S HELPING US OUT WITH IMPROVING THE BUMPOUTS, IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME WORK ON THE BUMPOUTS. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AVENUE. 
          SO, UM, WE, UH, WE, WE WORK CLOSELY WITH, UH, DR. 
          FEATHERS ON, ON THIS, AND SO HE INSPECTS THE TREES. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE A PROFESSIONAL ABU WHICH MM-HMM . 
          HAS REALLY HELPED OUT WITH OUR, OUR, OUR, THE HEALTH OF OUR TREE AND OUR TREE CANOPY AS WELL AS THE, UH, UM, PLANTING OF THE TREES. 
          SO IT COVERS EVERYTHING, INCLUDING EMERGENCIES WHEN THE TREES FALL ACROSS. 
          ALTHOUGH I'D LIKE PEPCO TO RESPOND FIRST. 
          'CAUSE IF THERE'S A LINE, THEY MIGHT CLEAR THE ROAD FOR US . 
          RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN, I'M LOOKING AT THE ACTUALS FOR THIS YEAR. 
          IT'S HALF OF WHAT WAS BUDGETED FOR LA FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO, BUT YOU'RE STILL SAYING FOR 200,000 FOR THE, FOR THE COMING YEAR. 
          WHEREAS IN 24 WE SPENT A HUNDRED AND FIFTY, TWENTY FIVE, WE SPENT 275. 
          SO YOU'RE JUST SORT OF, WELL, RIGHT NOW, UM, THROWING A DART AT IT KIND OF THING. 
          NO, WE, UM, SO WE, WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING THIS YEAR OVER THE PAST, 'CAUSE I'M, I'M TIGHT IN SOME AREAS IN THE BUDGET AND I KNOW THAT, UM, IT'S COME UP ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE, UH, RESERVE ARE WE GONNA USE THIS YEAR. 
          SO I'VE LOOKED AT THIS AND, AND, AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE PROBABLY AT ABOUT 89,000. 
          UM, MY TARGET IS TO MAYBE HAVE IT ABOUT 50 TO 75. 
          UH, NOT, NOT AS LONG AS WE DON'T HAVE AN EMERGENCY TO HELP WITH SOME OF MY OVERAGES IN OTHER AREAS. 
          UM, NORMALLY I THINK WE CAN, WE CAN SAVE 
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THAT. 
          WHAT WE DO DO IS SOMETIMES IN JUNE THERE MIGHT BE SOME MONEY IN RESERVE IN CASE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AN EMERGENCY, A BIG THUNDERSTORM COMES THROUGH. 
          AND IF IT DOESN'T, WE, WE, WE MAY NOT SPEND IT ALL. 
          SO THERE IS A LOGIC TO THIS BEING AT AT 200. 
          WE'VE, WE'VE, UH, BUDGETED AT TWO 20 BEFORE, SO WE DID REDUCE IT ABOUT 10%. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT PUBLIC WORKS, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PUBLIC WORKS EXPENDITURES? OKAY. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T SEE ONLINE. 
          SO WHY DON'T WE START ONLINE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO THE ROOM. 
          I CAN'T, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S ONLINE. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK MS. CLAY? UM, YES. 
          UM, GO AHEAD. 
          I HAD ONE COMMENT AND ONE QUESTION. 
          I, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF PUSHBACK ABOUT THE COMMENT THAT THE VICE MAYOR MADE ABOUT GETTING GRANTS. 
          UM, AS SOMEONE WHO HAS WORKED IN DEVELOPMENT FOR SIX YEARS, I KNOW THAT PART OF THAT IS TRUE, BUT THERE IT IS A POSSIBILITY TO GET GRANTS THAT SUPPORT PROGRAMS THAT ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. 
          I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT IS EASY, UM, BUT IT IS A THING THAT, UM, IS POSSIBLE. 
          THE THE SECOND THING, UM, IS A QUESTION AND, UM, THE CONTRACTUAL TEMPORARY LABOR, UM, CAN I GET JUST SOME CLARIFICATION ON LIKE, WHAT THAT IS? SURE. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, MR. MR. BREMAN, UH, CAN, CAN CLARIFY HOW WE'RE USING THOSE POSITIONS. 
          SO WE'RE USING THOSE POSITIONS, UM, BASICALLY AS LABORERS. 
          AND SO, UM, UM, WE'RE ABLE TO USE THAT WITHOUT, UH, INCURRING ANY OF THE FRINGE, UH, UH, COSTS OR THE, UM, UM, FRINGE BENEFIT COSTS, INCLUDING WORKERS' COMP AND OTHER THINGS. 
          AND SO WE ROTATE THAT, UM, AS TO HOW MANY WE USE. 
          BUT FOR THE MOST PART, WE DO HAVE THEM ON THE BACK OF THE TRASH TRUCKS AND THE YARD WASTE TRUCKS. 
          UM, AND THEN ALSO AS WELL, UM, WE WORK THEM A FULL WEIGHT AND WE, WE, WE HAVE TASKS FOR OTHER EMPLOYEES, WHICH IS NORMAL AND, AND, AND REFUSE. 
          THEY DO NOT, THEY DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE TASK. 
          WE STILL GET A COUPLE EXTRA HOURS OF WORK OUTTA THEM AFTER THE TRASH ARE OUT'S DONE. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          THAT'S, UH, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE 700 SERIES, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC WORKS EXPENDITURES, WAR TWO, SEAN MCGUIRE. 
          OKAY. 
          PERTINENT QUESTION. 
          A PROPOSAL. 
          WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF YOU PUT A 12 AND A HALF CENT ON THE, UH, SCRAP PROGRAM FOR, AND MAYBE YOU LOSE MAYBE FIVE PEOPLE OUT OF THE 130. 
          AND THERE WAS I THE WORK DIRECTOR SAID, OH, I MISSED SOMETHING. 
          OH, I, I, I UNDERSTAND, FAIR ENOUGH. 
          BUT USE TWO AND A HALF OF THE MONEY TO COVER THAT. 
          SO THE ONE YEAR THING AND SAY, WELL FOR NOW IT'S 12 AND A HALF, WE'LL DROP IT DOWN TO 10, OR MAYBE FIVE, MAYBE THAT'S 90, 12 AND A HALF CENTS. 
          UH, FOR THE SCRAP PROGRAM FOR CHARGING 130 PEOPLE, UH, THE FEE A MONTHLY FEE. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE PUBLIC WORKS EXPENDITURES? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AZI WARD ONE. 
          UM, FOR STARTERS, UM, MR. BREMAN, UM, IN THE AUTO INSURANCE LINE, IS THAT REFLECTING MORE VEHICLES, UM, INCREASE IN THE COST OF AUTO INSURANCE, UM, THE TYPES OF VEHICLES, JUST ANY INSIGHT THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO THERE. 
          I'M GONNA ASK ALL OF MY QUESTIONS, UM, JUST BECAUSE AT THE TIME I AM ALLOCATED, THE OTHER THING IS GOING INTO STREETLIGHT, UM, INSTALL, REPAIR AND CONVERT, KNOWING THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC REQUESTS FOR INSTALLATION OF NEW STREETLIGHTS. 
          I'VE FORGOTTEN HOW MUCH WORK YOU CAN GET OUT OF THAT 25,000. 
          SO TO, TO UNDERSTAND THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER, UM, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE PARK SUPPLIES AND, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, I MOST LIKELY HAVE JUST FORGOTTEN. 
          I WOULD APPRECIATE ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE THERE. 
          I, I AM CONCERNED TO SEE THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY PROGRAM OPEN SPACE MONEY, AT LEAST THAT'S REFLECTED IN HERE. 
          AND WE HAVE THE BUDGET FOR THE 1 65 JUST TO UNDERSTAND OR BE REMINDED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PROGRAM OPEN SPACE IN 2026 AND THE COMMITMENT THAT WE'RE MAKING TO TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. 
          UM, IN 2027, THE ARBORIST QUESTION WAS ALREADY ANSWERED. 
          UM, AND THEN, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GRANT, UM, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UM, THE, UH, 
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CURBSIDE COMPOSTING, UM, I'VE, I'VE GIVEN THESE SUGGESTIONS BEFORE AND I'M GONNA GIVE THEM AGAIN ON THE PUBLIC RECORD. 
          UM, ONE, WE SHOULD BE REMINDING PEOPLE ABOUT BACKYARD COMPOSTING AND YOU HAVE ORGANIZATIONS IN TOWN WHO WOULD BE HAPPY TO EDUCATE ON THAT AGAIN AND REVIVE THE BACKYARD COMPOSTING. 
          UM, AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE COST OR THE IMPACT OF THE FUEL, UM, AND THE POLLUTION ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND THEN WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO DO BACKYARD COMPOSTING, IT'S TO USE A BIG BELLY, ONE OF THOSE BIG BELLY, UM, UH, CONT YOU KNOW, TRASH CONTAINERS. 
          THEY ARE ALSO ACTIVELY USED FOR COMPOSTING IN MANY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. 
          AND SO WE COULD CITE A BIG BELLY, UM, RIGHT AROUND TOWN HALL ASSOCIATED WITH THE MARKET, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ALLOW, UM, RESIDENTS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPAND THEIR COMPOSTING IF THEY DON'T WISH TO U UTILIZE BACKYARD COMPOSTING. 
          THAT'S A VERY SOUND INVESTMENT AND IT WOULD COST A GREAT DEAL LESS TO HAVE THAT COLLECTION DONE AT ONE, AT ONE SOURCE. 
          SO, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YEAH, GO AHEAD. 
          MR. BRAMAN, ARE YOU ABLE TO ADDRESS A FEW OF THOSE POINTS? I BELIEVE IF I'VE MADE THE NOTES, UM, SO IN THE AUDIO INSURANCE THAT IS DUE TO, UH, MORE AUTOS, UM, WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL PICKUPS AS WELL AS A, UH, AN ADDITIONAL, UH, UH, TRASH TRUCK, UM, PARK SUPPLIES. 
          THAT'S EVERYTHING FROM THE DOG WASTE STATIONS TO THIS YEAR. 
          WE ACTUALLY PAID FOR THE GATE AT BOYD PARK THROUGH THIS LINE ITEM, UM, BENCHES THAT, UH, UH, COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. 
          UM, WE'VE INCREASED THIS BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE HAD INCREASE FOR OR FOR, UH, REQUESTS, BUT WHEN THE GARDEN CLUB, WHICH THEY LOVE TO DO AND WE LOVE THAT THEY DO IT, UM, WANTS TO DONATE A BENCH, UM, UM, I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE CHANGED THIS UP WHERE THEY PAID FOR IT LAST TIME, BUT IF THEY PAY, IF WE PAY FOR IT AND THEY REIMBURSE US, IT DOESN'T COME INTO THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, LINE ITEM THAT WOULD REQUIRE A BUDGET TRANSFER. 
          UM, SO, UM, EVERYTHING RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, PARKS THAT, UH, THAT, THAT COMES UP THAT IS NOT, UH, A PARK TOOLS OR EQUIPMENT AS WELL. 
          UM, THE PROGRAM OPEN SPACE, WE ARE PROPOSING THAT THIS YEAR, UH, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR OR FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE WERE SEEING HOW THIS MIGHT HELP OUT WITH, UH, ASSISTING WITH THE KILMER PARK ACCESS FROM THE APARTMENT SIDE. 
          UM, THAT PROJECT IS WELL OVER THE COST OF OUR, UH, POS MONEY. 
          SO THIS YEAR I'M PROPOSING THAT WE USE 125 OF IT TO, UH, COVER COMPLETING THE TRACK WITH, UH, THERE'S A NEW TRACK UP AGAINST THE ELY BUILDING, UM, THE CURBSIDE COMPOSTING. 
          WE DO STILL, UM, ADVERTISE ON OUR WEBSITE AND DO SELL, UH, THE, UH, THE BACKYARD, UH, COMPOSTING, UH, UM, UH, BINS IF, IF SOMEBODY IS INTERESTED. 
          UM, I BELIEVE THOSE WERE ALL THE QUESTIONS. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          UH, IT'S, OH, GO AHEAD MR. BRAMAN. 
          I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE COMPOST BIN RAIN BARRELS AND THEN FROM LIKE THE REVENUE SIDE VERSUS THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. 
          LIKE, FY 25 SAYS WE'VE SPENT 5,000, BUT WE MADE $671. 
          SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND HAVE TO BUY EITHER THE RECYCLING BINS OR THE TOWS, UM, WE HAVE TO BUY 'EM IN A LARGE QUANTITY. 
          I BELIEVE IT'S, UH, AT LEAST A HUNDRED OR 150 TOTERS WE HAVE TO BUY. 
          UM, AND SO THAT, THAT'S A LARGE COST. 
          IT TAKES A WHILE FOR IT TO, TO, TO, UH, RUN DOWN. 
          UM, UH, WHEN WE PURCHASE, UH, RAIN BARRELS, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE A A A, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 10 OR 12. 
          UM, WHEN WE PURCHASE THE, UH, COMPOSTERS THERE, THERE'S A MINIMUM TOO THAT WE HAVE TO PURCHASE. 
          AND SO SOMETIMES WE HAVE, WE CAN'T PREDICT EXACTLY HOW, HOW FAST THEY RUN OUT. 
          ONE YEAR I THINK I DIDN'T HAVE THE MONEY AND HAD TO TAP INTO ANOTHER ACCOUNT BUYING THE, UH, THE BINS OR THE TOTERS. 
          SO DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? I BELIEVE THIS YEAR WE BOUGHT BINS AND TOTERS. 
          YES SIR. 
          NO, NO. 
          'CAUSE THERE'S NO ACTUALS FOR THIS HERE. 
          NO, IT'S JUST FEBRUARY. 
          OKAY, SO YOU JUST BOUGHT THEM. 
          UM, I WOULD WANNA LOOK INTO THAT CLOSER. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS AND THEY JUST LOOK LIKE ARE, 'CAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO, WE ARE BUDGETING ANOTHER 8,000 FOR THIS YEAR AND, AND THE REASON FOR THAT WAS WE THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA HAVE MORE STORAGE SPACE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I, I WAS NOT ANTICIPATING US NEEDING TO PURCHASE THE BINS AND BARREL AND BINS AND DOERS THIS YEAR. 
          I WAS HOPING TO ACTUALLY PURCHASE IT NEXT YEAR. 
          BUT WE'RE LOOKING, WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, 
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WE'VE REDUCED THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE'RE ONLY, WE'RE ONLY BUDGETING TO GET $500 BUT SPEND 8,000. 
          WELL, WE, WE DON'T THINK THAT MANY PEOPLE, I BELIEVE WE'VE BOUGHT TOTERS THREE OR FOUR TIMES IN MY SEVEN YEAR TENURE. 
          SO IT, IT SOMETIMES THEY, THEY GO FASTER THAN OTHER TIMES. 
          WE'RE HOPING ONCE ELE IS MORE KNOWN TO BE OPEN, WE HAVE A ROOM SPECIFICALLY BEFORE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE THEM. 
          HOW MUCH ARE THE, TO THE TOTERS AND THE COMPLEX? UH, THE TOTERS, WELL TOTERS ARE FOR, I CALL 'EM TOTERS 'CAUSE THEY HAVE THE WHEELS FOR THE RECYCLING. 
          OH YEAH. 
          THE BLUE TO YEAH. 
          $25. 
          IS THAT COMPETITIVE TO WHAT YOU WOULD GET IF I WERE TO GO TO LIKE A LO'S? I BELIEVE WE'RE SUBSIDIZING IT SLIGHTLY. 
          I THINK WE PAY ABOUT 30, 35. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, MR. TANZI, UM, THANK YOU FOR ALL OF THAT. 
          UH, THIS IS, UM, GOING BACK TO THE QUESTIONS PEOPLE RAISED AT THE BEGINNING. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY NUMBERS FOR WHAT WE SPEND ON BULK PICKUP OR TWICE WEEKLY, UH, TRASH PICKUP? DO WE HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT WE WOULD SAVE IF WE EITHER CHARGED PEOPLE FOR, FOR BULK PICKUP OR ONLY DID IT ONCE A MONTH? UM, AND WHAT WE WOULD SAVE IF WE HAD, UH, TRASH ONLY ONCE A WEEK. 
          LET, LET ME START WITH BULK. 
          UM, IF, IF WE DID, UM, WELL FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE PICK UP APPLIANCES, WE DO LEVY A CHARGE. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S INTERESTING IS, IS THAT WE DON'T LEVY THE CHARGE UNTIL WE PICK IT UP. 
          BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU PUT YOUR, UH, LIKE WASHER DRYER AND SOMEBODY, A SCRAPPER COMES BY AND PICKS IT UP AND THEY TAKE IT AWAY. 
          AND, UM, THE SCRAP METAL THAT WE DO PICK UP, WE ALSO GO AND RECYCLE IT. 
          AND SO WE GET A LITTLE BIT OF, OF REVENUE BACK ON THAT. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S NOT MUCH, IT'S, IT'S, BUT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING AND IT'S SOMEWHERE IN THE MISCELLANEOUS REVENUE, UM, GIVEN OUR, OUR CIRCUMSTANCES THAT, THAT, THAT, UH, I GUESS WE'VE BEEN HAVING IT OVER AT THE HOSPITAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO, UM, ON THE, ON THE OTHER BULK, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALLOWED UP THE THREE ITEMS. UM, I DON'T THINK IT'S OVERWHELMING. 
          IT GOES, IT USUALLY GOES RIGHT INTO THE, IN, INTO THE TRASH TRUCK WITH, WITH THE REGULAR TRASH. 
          UM, SO I I, AND WE'RE CHARGING $20 FOR AN APPLIANCE, WE MIGHT CHARGE WHAT, $10 AN ITEM. 
          IT SAYS IF YOU PUT MORE, THE CODE SAYS IF YOU PUT MORE THAN, UH, THREE ITEMS OUT, UM, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO LE YOU A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER ITEM. 
          AND SOME MOVE OUTS I'VE HAD TO GO OUT AND IT SAYS I HAVE TO DETERMINE THE CHARGE AND I TRIED TO MAKE IT AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE. 
          UM, SO I DON'T SEE THAT AS A BIG OPERATIONAL ISSUE. 
          THE, THE, UH, SWITCHING TO, UH, UH, UH, ONCE A WEEK TRASH. 
          UM, SO I, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN THAT CAME UP, I JUST LOOKED AT IT. 
          I MEAN, RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD SAVE US, YOU KNOW, 32 HOURS IN TEMP HOURS, RIGHT. 
          WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A THOUSAND A WEEK. 
          AND THEN THE FUEL CHARGE, UM, IF WE WERE FULL WITH EMPLOYEES, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A POTENTIAL THAT IF WE HAD EMPTY POSITIONS YOU COULD REDUCE 'EM BECAUSE ON WHAT THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS YOU COULD REDIRECT THEM TO DO SOME OTHER WORK THAT WAS DEFERRED ON MONDAY, TUESDAY OR WEDNESDAY. 
          UM, ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF, IF HE DID GO TO ONCE A WEEK, 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I'M ACCUSTOMED TO, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S MUCH MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SOUND, UH, LESS WEAR IN TOWN, THE TRUCKS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO QUANTIFY THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          I MEAN, I JUST, TO MR. GALLOWAY JUST SAID, I WOULD, YOU KNOW, OFF THE CUFF CALCULATION WOULD BE 50,000 A YEAR. 
          BUT I, I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THEY'RE LOOKING INTO POTENTIALLY LOOK, UH, CHANGING THE METHOD OF, OF COLLECTION TO SEMI-AUTOMATED AND WHICH HAS A TIPPER ON THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. 
          AND SO YOU GET A BIG TOTER. 
          UM, I'M FAMILIAR WITH GETTING 90 GALLON TOTERS, WHICH CAN LAST A WEEK, CAN LAST TWO WEEKS, SOME FOR SOME FOLKS. 
          UM, AND YOU ALSO GET SMALLER ONES 'CAUSE SOME FOLKS DON'T WANNA MANAGE IT, YOU KNOW, WHEELING IT OUT, BUT THEN YOU PUSH IT UP AND, AND, AND A, UH, LIFTER TILTS THE, UH, TOTER INTO THE, UH, INTO THE TRASH TRUCK. 
          UM, I, I UNDERSTOOD BEFORE THAT THAT'S BEEN LOOKED AT THAT SOME OF THE HILLS AND SOME OF THE FRONT YARDS, IF YOU SEE PEOPLE PUT THEIR TRASH OUT ON THE FRONT YARD. 
          SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE, YOU KNOW, AN IN-DEPTH STUDY ON THAT. 
          UM, BUT, UH, THAT WOULD BE A, A WAY THAT YOU COULD GIVE A BIGGER TRASH CAN WITHOUT EXPECTING AN EMPLOYEE, WHETHER THEY'RE A CONTRACT TEMP, A TEMP EMPLOYEE OR A REGULAR EMPLOYEE TO PICK UP A BIGGER CAN MM-HMM . 
          OR MORE CANS TO LIFT INTO THE BACK OF THE TRUCK. 
          'CAUSE I WOULD THINK THEORETICALLY THE SAME TONNAGE SHOULD OCCUR. 
          SO JUST TO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS 
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FROM WHAT YOU JUST SAID, 50 TO 70, THE TRASH PICKUP ARE ALL TEMP CONTRACT PEOPLE, SO THERE'S NO ADDITION. 
          I MEAN, OTHER THAN THE MAN HOURS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO EXTRA STAFF ON BUDGET BECAUSE WE HAVE TWICE A WEEK TRASH VERSUS ONCE A WEEK TRASH. 
          NOT, NOT, NOT AT THIS POINT. 
          THERE, THOSE FROZEN POSITIONS, THERE CERTAINLY WERE FOLKS THAT WERE DEDICATED TO BE RIDING THE, THE, THE TRUCKS. 
          SO WE'RE, WE'RE USING THOSE TEMPS. 
          I BELIEVE THEY'RE VERY COST EFFECTIVE. 
          UM, BUT YES, YOU, WE, WE, WHEN I GOT HERE, THERE WERE, UH, UH, EMPLOYEES ASSIGNED. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME REGULAR EMPLOYEES THAT DO HELP OUT BECAUSE SOMETIMES, AND I SAID WE'VE BEEN REDUCING ATTEMPTS, UM, SO, UH, SOMETIMES ON, ON, UH, WHEN WE HAVE GRASS PICKUP OR YARD RACE PICKUP, BUT THEN ON THE HOLIDAY TUESDAYS THAT CAME UP, WE HAVE THREE TRUCKS OUT. 
          AND SO THAT WILL HAVE THAT, THAT HAS SIX PEOPLE ON THE BACK. 
          AND SO, UM, SO THAT WOULD HAVE REGULAR EMPLOYEES INVOLVED. 
          AND THERE'S BEEN OTHER TIMES TOO IF, WE'LL, IF, IF IT'S REALLY HEAVY OR SOMETHING, WE DO SEND OUT SOME ADDITIONAL TRUCKS WHEN IT'S BEEN VERY HOT. 
          I MEAN, THE SUMMERS ARE GETTING HOT, RIGHT? I KNOW ABOUT HEAT STRESS, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S LIKE A, A MAJOR THING TO DEAL WITH NOWADAYS. 
          UH, MORE SO THAN IT USED TO BE. 
          UM, AND SO WE'VE SENT OUT A SECOND TRUCK WITH REGULAR EMPLOYEES ON IT AS WELL TO HELP THE ROUTE GO QUICKER. 
          UM, USUALLY WE DON'T, WE DON'T GRANT THAT TASK THOUGH ON THAT SECOND TRUCK. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, OKAY, GO AHEAD MR. WADE. 
          JUST MAKE SURE THE, BUT THE DRIVER'S NOT ATTEMPT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK'S ATTEMPT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THE DRIVER WE WOULD SAY FOR THE DRIVER IS WHAT DRIVER GOING OUT? WELL, UM, WE HAVE TWO TRUCKS ON, UH, ON, ON MONDAY AND ONE TRUCK EVERY OTHER, EVERY OTHER DAY. 
          SO IN ORDER TO GET A PROFESSIONAL DRIVER, I WOULD THINK YOU'D WANT TO KEEP THEM ON AND THURSDAYS AND FRIDAYS THEY'D BE RE REASSIGNED TO DO OTHER DUTIES. 
          YEAH. 
          THEY'D BE FREED UP TO DO SOMETHING ELSE, PERHAPS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, UM, ON THE ONE TIME A WEEK THING, I JUST WANNA PUT IT OUT THERE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY DID IT EARLIER, BUT THE IDEA OF IN THE WINTER, ONE TIME A WEEK, I BELIEVE THAT MIGHT BE BECAUSE OF THE TEMPERATURE AND THE SMELLS, TEMPERA TURNS OF THE SMELLS. 
          BUT THEN IN THE SUMMER, JUST SANITATION BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE'S TRASH TRUCKS ARE, OR TRASH BINS ARE OUTSIDE AND JUST WITH ANIMALS AND STUFF. 
          AND SO IF YOU'RE SAYING 50 ABOUT LIKE, BALLPARK, THIS IS OBVIOUSLY JUST A, A WHILE, GUESS YOU'RE SAYING 50, THEN WE COULD ASSUME THAT IF WE WERE TO ONLY DO IT FOR THE WINTER MONTHS, IT REALLY WOULD ONLY BE ABOUT A SAVINGS OF ABOUT 25 ISH. 
          MAYBE LESS THAN I I HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          I'D BE A PROPONENT OF YEAR ROUND. 
          UM, I, I HAVE DIRECT KNOWLEDGE OF LIVING IN AND, AND, AND, AND WORKING WITH IN, IN THE CITY OF COLLEGE PARK WITH ONCE A WEEK THEY MADE THE DECISION. 
          THERE'S STILL A FEW PEOPLE WHO ARE UPSET ABOUT IT. 
          98.5% OF THE PEOPLE ARE LIKE, WOW, WE GOT A FREE TRASH CAN. 
          AND, AND JUST, AND I GET TO WHEEL IT OUT. 
          I DON'T EVEN HAVE TO CARRY IT OUT. 
          AND, AND, AND, AND, AND IT'S, YEAH. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE VERY LITTLE COMPLAINTS I'M, I'M AWARE OF ABOUT, UH, UH, THE SMELL THAT YOU KEEP YOUR TRASH CAN CLEAN YOU. 
          90 GALLON TRASH CAN YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A RESPONSIBILITY AT ONCE A MONTH OR EVERY THREE MONTHS, YOU KNOW, HOSE IT OUT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT, UM, IT, IT MAKES FOR, AND IF YOU USED PLASTIC BAGS, IT MAKES FOR, I, I HAVEN'T DEALT WITH THE SMELL BEFORE, SO I'D BE A PROPONENT OF YEAR ROUND ONCE, ONCE A, UH, UH, ONCE A WEEK. 
          OH, YOU SAY YOU'D BE A PROPONENT OF YEAR ROUND ALL YEAR. 
          LIKE ONE TIME ALL BE BOLD . 
          UM, I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, THIS IS NOT ONE OF MY FAVORITE IDEAS, BUT I WAS JUST WANTING TO PUT IT OUT THERE 'CAUSE THE RESIDENT HAD REACHED OUT AND SAID, WELL WHAT ABOUT JUST SHIFTING NOT TO DO ONCE A WEEK ALL YEAR ROUND, BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH THE RACCOONS OR WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE SMELL, BUT THEN YOU'RE ADDING OTHER THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK I THOUGHT ABOUT EITHER IS ONCE A WEEK YOU'D NEED BIGGER TRASH CANS. 
          BUT THEN IF YOU'RE ONLY DOING THAT, LIKE, SO IF YOU DO TWO DIFFERENT THINGS AND IT CAN JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT TO, I THINK IT MIGHT BE CONFUSING TO, TO, TO MAKE, GET EVERYBODY ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT SCHEDULE KICK IT BACK UP. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          ARE IF I JUST YEAH, SURE. 
          BUT I, I JUST WANT TO LIKE, LET'S TALK ABOUT CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING TO THIS SPENDING PLAN. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I JUST WANTED FOR CLARIFICATION, SO IF WE WERE TO GO DOWN TO ONCE A WEEK TRASH AND CHARGE FOR BULK TRASH PICKUP, IT SOUNDS LIKE THOSE TWO SOLUTIONS THEMSELVES WOULD NOT EQUAL THE AMOUNT OF REVENUE WE GET FROM A 1 CENT TAX INCREASE , RIGHT? I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK AS WELL TOO, TO GO TO ONCE A WEEK YEAH, WE'D WANNA, WE'D WANNA BE STUDYING 
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THIS AND, AND, AND, AND HAVE AN IMPLEMENTATION PROGRAM AND I DON'T, RIGHT. 
          I I, I WISH I COULD SAY LET'S SNAP OUR FINGERS AND GO TO ONCE A WEEK AND COUNT $50,000 IN THE BUDGET. 
          BUT I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO METHODICALLY THINK THIS THROUGH. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T THINK THIS IS, AND, AND LOOK, THE PANDEMIC, UH, YOU MAY RECALL WHEN I SAID HOW MANY PEOPLE HAD CALLED IN SICK WHEN WE WERE ON THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE WEEK ON, ONE WEEK OFF. 
          UM, NOBODY CALLED IN SICK. 
          BUT I I HEARD IT TOO. 
          AND YOU ALL DID TOO. 
          WHEN AM I GONNA GET BACK TO TWICE A WEEK? SO I KNOW THAT'S A THIRD RAIL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S A THING THAT GETS BROUGHT UP A LOT IN TERMS OF AVOIDING A TAX INCREASE BY DOING THOSE THINGS, BUT IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          IT'S WORTH LESS THAN A PENNY. 
          IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SUPER. 
          YEAH, NO, IT'S A FAIR POINT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          TO THAT END, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO HAVE NUMBERS BECAUSE THIS COMES UP EVERY YEAR TO BE ABLE TO SAY, HEY, WELL WE, WE HAVE STUDIED THIS BEFORE AND THIS WHAT THE EFFECT WOULD BE. 
          UM, AND OF COURSE THERE'D BE SOME ROOM FOR ERROR JUST BECAUSE COSTS CHANGE YEAR TO YEAR. 
          BUT AT LEAST IF WE HAD SOME, SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE MORE SOLID THAT COULD HELP US JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, 'CAUSE YEAH, I MEAN I ALWAYS GET PEOPLE ASKING, WELL, WE SHOULD JUST GO DOWN TO ONCE A WEEK TRASH. 
          UM, SO WHY DON'T WE PULL SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER FOR THAT AND WE WILL PUT IT ON AN AUTUMN WORK SESSION AGENDA. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT'S THAT? OKAY. 
          AND THEN JUST, JUST TO JUST BRING BACK THE, THE PROPOSED CHANGE THAT I WAS, UH, UH, UH, IF THE, IF THE FOOD SCRAP PROGRAM, UM, WAS GOING TO HAVE THE COST TRANSFERRED TO THE RESIDENTS AND I, I WOULD LIKE TO LIKE LOOK AT MAYBE SPLITTING THAT SAVINGS OF 45, MAYBE 30 GOES INTO THE EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT, 15 GOES INTO SAVINGS OVERALL. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          SO 30 FOR THAT, AND THEN WE'RE BACK 15. 
          WE, SO I THINK YOU SAVED 15 OVERALL. 
          AND SO THAT PUT YOUR BUDGET AT 40 MILLION, 35,000 AND CHANGE 40 MILLION. 
          YES. 
          I'LL TAKE 40 MILLION, 4 MILLION , 4 MILLION 4 0, 3 5 AND SOME OTHER NUMBERS. 
          BUT WE, BUT WE DID BRING IN, UH, 93 AND 25, UM, 108 BEFORE THAT. 
          SO, SO THIS IS 108,000 LESS THAN WHAT YOU SAW A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. 
          PLUS YOU SAVED US ANOTHER 15. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'LL CALL THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU'RE UNDER 1 23, YOU'RE WELL UNDER 3 MILLION, YOU ARE UNDER $4 MILLION NOW. 
          3 MILLION, UH, 900 AND, UH, 75,000 OR SOMETHING. 
          UM, APPROXIMATELY. 
          OKAY, EXCELLENT. 
          SO, UH, THAT CONCLUDES, UH, PUBLIC WORK. 
          SO MR. GALLOWAY, UM, I THINK ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE, WE ARE NO LONGER AT 11,000,619. 
          DO WE KNOW WHERE WE ARE? CAN, CAN I, I THINK CAN I ASK FOR CLARIFICATION ON SOMETHING YOU JUST SAID? THIS IS DIANE MOCK? YES. 
          UH, THE, UH, MR ON THE, UM, HE WANTED TO MOVE 30,000 TO HIS EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND REMOVE THE FOOD SCRAP. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT LEAVES HIS, HIS PUBLIC WORKS AT 4 MILLION. 
          IT STILL LEAVES HIS PUBLIC WORKS OVER 4 MILLION. 
          I DON'T, NO. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, DIANE, BUT HE SAYS HE SAVED US 108 EARLIER ON, BUT THAT'S REFLECTED IN THESE BASE NUMBERS. 
          THAT'S REFLECTED IN THESE NUMBERS. 
          BUT IT'S 120, IT'S 108 LESS THAN WHAT YOU SAW TWO WEEKS AGO. 
          SO 4 0 3 5 IS STILL YOUR EXPENDITURE? THAT IS CORRECT, YES. 
          PARDON ME? I SAID THAT I WASN'T KEEPING UP WITH YOU, SIR. 
           OKAY. 
          405 THOUGH. 
          4 0 3 5, TAKE 45,000 DOWN. 
          IT'S FOUR, BUT HE'S KEEPING 30 A DAY, KEEPING 30. 
          IF I GIVE JOHN A HAMBURGER ON WEDNESDAY, YES. 
          PERHAPS I CAN HAVE TWO HAMBURGERS FROM JOHN ON THURSDAY. 
          RUDE. 
          OKAY. 
          I, UM, I'VE BEEN KEEPING TRACK OF THE CHANGES YOU, YOU'VE RECORDED, SO THAT'S WHY. 
          SO, OKAY, SO THE 11 MILLION, SO YES. 
          SO, SO WHERE DO YOU THINK WE ARE ON THE $11,500,000 EXP EXPENDITURE? WE'RE AT 11,000,590 1053. 
          11,000,591 DISAGREE. 
          THREE. 
          YEAH. 
          ANYONE DISAGREE WITH THAT? 
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OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR, DOES THAT INCLUDE THAT 10,000? I FOUND US. 
          YEAH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU ASKED ME FOR, UH, HE ASKED ME FOR THE EXPENDITURE. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD BE IN THE REVENUE. 
          YES. 
          AND SO I MADE, I WAS GOING TO, WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT REVENUES, BUT I BEFORE, UH, STEVE, JUST , WELL, WE'RE ABOUT TO  BEFORE STEVE MADE THAT CHANGE, UM, WE WERE, UH, A NEGATIVE $2,000 MM-HMM . 
          OVER REVENUES, OVER EXPENDITURES WE'RE A NEGATIVE 2030 $2. 
          AND NOW WITH THAT PARTICULAR CHANGE THAT STEVE JUST PROPOSED, YOU'RE, YOU HAVE A POSITIVE NUMBER, RIGHT? YES. 
          THOSE NUMBERS ARE VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER, AREN'T THEY? YES. 
          11. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT TAKES US BACK TO REVENUE. 
          SO, UH, IF WE ARE GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A SPENDING PLAN OF 11,000,591, THEN WE'RE BACK TO THE REVENUE QUESTION. 
          UM, SO I WILL, SO MR. GALLOWAY, DID YOU WANNA PRESENT ANYTHING ELSE ON REVENUE OR ARE WE REALLY JUST TALKING ABOUT REAL PROPERTY TAXES AT THIS POINT? OR DID ANYBODY WANT ANYTHING FURTHER FROM MR. GALLOWAY ON THE NON-TAX PORTIONS OF THE REVENUE? MR. TANZI? YEAH, JOHN, I WAS, I WAS GONNA ASK, UM, WE TALKED ABOUT INCREASE IN BUSINESS LICENSE COSTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHERE, BUT THE ONLY, THE ONLY TWO NUMBERS THAT WENT UP ARE FINES AND FORFEITURES AND, UM, YOU KNOW, TAXES. 
          SO DID WE NOT PUT THOSE NUMBERS IN? UM, I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO, TO DISTRIBUTE THE BURDEN MORE THAN THIS. 
          YES, WE'RE WORKING THROUGH OUR FEE SCHEDULE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO AS FAR AS HAVING THAT FINALIZED BEFORE A PRESENTATION TO YOU ALL, I, WE DO NOT HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. 
          UH, SO RIGHT NOW THE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE UNTIL THAT FEE SCHEDULE IS PRESENTED AND ADOPTED BY THE BARON COUNCIL. 
          I WILL SAY THIS, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR. 
          UH, WE ARE REFLECTING HERE A REAL ESTATE TAX INCREASE. 
          OF COURSE, THE 5 CENTS AS WE'VE VINDICATED FROM 0.5799 TO 6 2 9 9 PER $100 OF ASSESSED VALUE. 
          ALSO, WE'RE REFLECTING A TAX RATE OF 1.03, UH, FOR THE MULTIFAMILY. 
          UM, DON'T FORGET THE MULTIFAMILY DECREASE IN VALUE AND 1.03 WOULD BRING IT TO WHERE WE WERE PRIOR TO THE ASSESSED VALUE. 
          ALRIGHT? ALSO, I'M RECOMMENDING AN INCREASE IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX. 
          PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX FROM 1.10 TO 1.45. 
          PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RATE HAS NEVER BEEN CHANGED WHILE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          UM, THIS BRINGS US CLOSER TO, UH, WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE CHARGING. 
          AND THIS IS A TAX ON UTILITIES AND, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT MAKES A BUSINESS RUNS OUTSIDE OF THE ACTUAL REAL PROPERTY. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING THAT UP AS WELL. 
          AND DIANE, THAT'S AN INCREASE OF ABOUT $150,000, IS THAT CORRECT? UH, IT'S, UH, ONE SEVENTY FIVE, ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTY $5,000. 
          UH, OKAY. 
          ONE, ONE NOTE TOO, MAYOR, IF YOU DON'T MIND. 
          UM, WE DID INCREASE THE LOCAL INCOME TAXES JUST BASED OFF OF, UH, PREVIOUS TRENDS. 
          UM, UH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT, UM, BASED ON THE CURRENT AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE'VE RECEIVED AT THIS POINT, UM, BASED OFF OF THE ACTUALS OF 25 AND 24, WE'RE GONNA BE TRACKING SAFELY TO BUDGET 1,000,425. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          UM, SO, BUT DAVID'S QUESTION WAS ABOUT NON-TAX. 
          WHY CAN'T WE JUST ADOPT A NEW FEE SCHEDULE IN THIS BUDGET? WE CAN, SO DAVID WANTS TO CHANGE WHICH FEE? BUSINESS LICENSE WITH VARIOUS LICENSE? YEAH, WE HAD MULTIPLE LICENSES THAT WE DISCUSSED. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT EACH, THE SCALE OF EACH ONE IS. 
          SO I, I DON'T HAVE ANY, ANY WAY TO SENSE HOW MUCH ONE MIGHT BRING IN BECAUSE EACH ONE OF THOSE ARE PART OF THE FEE 
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SCHEDULE. 
          SO WE'LL HAVE TO DO THAT NUMBER AND, AND TIMES IT BY WHATEVER WE'RE PROJECTING HERE SO THAT IT WOULD BE REFLECTIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE COULD ADOPT ON JUNE 11TH, A REVISED FEE SCHEDULE, THAT INCREASED VIS PERMIT ALL THE FOUR TENS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          JOHN WAS NEXT. 
          AND THEN I THINK NICOLE, UM, I HAD A QUESTION THAT WAS RAISED DURING, UH, THE CHIEF'S PRESENTATION ABOUT THE POLICE BUDGET. 
          AND I THINK THAT I HEARD, UH, MS. MOCK SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THE ADA REVENUE SIDE OF THE ARGUMENT. 
          AND WAS THAT, IS THAT MONEY NOW REFLECTED SOMEWHERE, I GUESS ON 4 61 65 MS. MOCK? YES, IT IS. 
          I, IN WE, THAT PARTICULAR LINE ITEM HAS BEEN INCREASED TO 110,000. 
          SO 4 61 65 IS NOW 110,000 PLUS. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT, THAT PICKED $10,000. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          ONE 10. 
          ALRIGHT, GOOD POINT. 
          SO TOTAL REVENUE IS NOW, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN WE WILL GO TO THE VICE MAYOR. 
          I HAVE 11 MILLION 6 0 3 AND THEN TO INCREASE, SORRY. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THAT WENT UP $10,000 TO 11 MILLION 6 0 3 OVERALL AND THEN TO INCREASE FURTHER POTENTIALLY WITH CHANGES TO THE, UH, FROM A NEW FEE SCHEDULE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          JUST TO GET A SENSE OF THE FEE SCHEDULE CHANGES, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS FLOATED EARLIER TONIGHT, UM, WAS ABOUT BUSINESS LICENSES AND HOW WE ONLY CHARGE $10 AND WE COULD EASILY CHARGE A HUNDRED DOLLARS. 
          RIGHT NOW, UM, OUR PROPOSED REVENUE FROM THAT IS $1,500 TOTAL. 
          SO EVEN IF WE DID 10 TIMES THE LICENSE FEE, THAT WOULDN'T NET US A TON. 
          LIKE THAT WOULDN'T NET US, UH, NOT RAISING TAXES MONEY. 
          SURE. 
          UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT CORRECTLY. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I THINK WE ARE. 
          UM, YES, THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR ABOUT THE NON-TAX PORTION OF THE REVENUE? WE'RE GOOD ON THAT. 
          I'LL SAY BASED OFF OF THE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE'VE MADE CURRENTLY WE'RE $12,000, UM, TO THE GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          DO YOU HAD A, YOU HAD A QUE YEAH. 
          UNTAXED QUESTION. 
          YEAH. 
          THE, THE FINES AND FOR FORFEITURES, UH, THE PARKING TICKETS, HOW MUCH ARE THEY PER TICKET RIGHT NOW? I KNOW, YEAH, IT VARIES BY VIOLATION. 
          WELL, ON AVERAGE IS IT STANDARD ACROSS THE BOARD WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MUNICIPAL INFRACTIONS, WHAT'S THAT? IS THAT, WHAT WAS THE DETAILS OF THAT? THAT'S CODE ENFORCEMENT. 
          IS THAT STANDARD AS WELL ACROSS THE BOARD WITH OTHER MUNICIPALITIES? PELVIS OBJECT. 
          WE'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SAYING THAT'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER POSSIBLE REVENUE SOURCE AS WELL, RIGHT? SO WHEN, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE FEE SCHEDULE, WE MIGHT ALSO WANNA LOOK ON JUNE 11TH AT ADOPTING ENHANCED PENALTIES FOR MUNICIPAL INFRACTIONS. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S PROBABLY A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS REALISTICALLY, BUT, UM, OH YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          IF THERE'S NO, OKAY. 
          ANYONE HAVE ANY COUNSEL, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TAX? THE, UH, THE SEVEN OR EIGHT ITEMS UNDER 400 TAXES AND LIENS, LIEN BANK, HIGHWAY HOTEL, LOCAL TP, TP, REAL ESTATE TAX. 
          HAS THE HOTEL TAX BEEN THE SAME FOR THE LAST, THAT TAX RATE? HOW LONG HAS THAT BEEN GOING? IS IT THE SAME AS THE LAST COUPLE YEARS OR, UH, DIANE, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE TAX RATE OF THE HOTEL? UH, NO, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE RATE IS. 
          I'D HAVE TO, I'D HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. 
          IT HAS BEEN THE SAME, UM, EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. 
          SO AS FAR AS KNOWING WHAT THE ACTUAL HOTEL RATE IS, I KNOW THERE'S A SPECIALIZED HOTEL MOTEL RATE THAT WE RECEIVED, BUT AS FAR AS WHAT THE RATE IS MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT RATE IS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I THINK WE WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT IT BE AN INDUSTRY, WHATEVER THE LOCAL INDUSTRY STANDARD INDUSTRY STANDARD STANDARD IS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, TO ENSURE THAT IT'S THAT IN THE, IN WHAT IS PROPOSED 
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NEXT THURSDAY. 
          UM, ALRIGHT. 
          SEEING NO OTHER HANDS, LET'S GO TO THE PUBLIC ON, UH, REVENUE ITEMS NOT SPENDING, DOES ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT, AND AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER GARCI AND OTHERS ONLINE? I CAN'T SEE YOU. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          DID YOU CHECK? OKAY. 
          UM, LA AZI WARD ONE, UM, IN GENERAL, MUCH HAS BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT WELL BEYOND WHERE I WOULD GO, BUT I WOULD JUST CAUTION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CODE COMPLIANCE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT ON RESIDENTS, IT'S ONE THING WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU CHOOSE TO PARK IN AN AREA THAT YOU SHOULD'T OR STAY LONGER THAN YOU SHOULD. 
          BUT IF WE'RE TALKING CODE COMPLIANCE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THAT FALLS ON INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ALREADY FINANCIALLY STRUGGLING OR OF INFIRMITY OR AGE THAT THEY CANNOT ADDRESS THOSE MATTERS. 
          SO LOOKING AT A, LOOKING AT AN INCREASE, MAYBE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO WHAT I HEAR FROM RESIDENTS AND WHAT I HEAR FROM THE DIOCESE AS FAR AS IMPACT ON COMMUNITY. 
          SO JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          I WOULD LOVE, LOVE TO INCREASE THE, UH, THE, UH, PARKING FINES FOR VIOLATING THE SNOW EMERGENCY. 
          UH, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU ALL KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THAT, AND IT MAY NOT BE RATIONAL, BUT IT'S HOW I FEEL ABOUT IT. 
          PLEASE GO AHEAD. 
          UH, JULIA MOSLEY, WARD TWO, UM, I WISH I COULD REMEMBER THE DETAILS. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY MR. TORRES HAS PASSED, BUT AT A PREVIOUS YEAR, UM, 20 YEARS OR SO AGO, WE DID CHANGE THE TRASH SCHEDULE. 
          UM, I BELIEVE WE WENT TO ONE DAY A WEEK. 
          UH, I DON'T BELIEVE, UH, MAYOR YOU WERE ON THE COUNCIL AT THAT POINT. 
          BUT ANYWAY, WITHIN THREE MONTHS, MR. TORRES WAS BACK ASKING TO GO BACK TO TWO WEEKS. 
          AND I, I REGRET TO SAY I CAN'T REMEMBER ALL THE REASONS. 
          I DO REMEMBER ONE THAT NEVER OCCURRED TO ME, AND I WAS THE ONE THAT RECOMMENDED WE DO THAT WAS, UM, TRASH WAS SITTING IN TRASH TRUCKS OVERNIGHT IN, IN THE PARK. 
          IT WAS CREATING DAMAGING TIRES. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE REASONS WE DID IT FOR PRECISELY WHY YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT NOW, AND IT, IT DIDN'T WORK. 
          THAT DOESN'T MEAN A NEW PROGRAM WOULDN'T, BUT JUST A WORD OF CAUTION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          ANY OTHER PUBLIC INPUT ON THE REVENUE ITEMS? OKAY. 
          SEEING NONE, COUNSEL, ONE THING I DO WANNA REQUEST OR I WANNA ASK IF THIS IS POSSIBLE, MS. MOCK AND MR. GALLOWAY, IF THE ACTUALS CAN BE UPDATED FOR MAY 14TH, PERHAPS FOR APRIL 30, BECAUSE FEBRUARY 28TH FEELS VERY LONG AGO. 
          YES, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE'RE WORKING ON, UH, RECONCILING APRIL RIGHT NOW, SO THAT SHOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM. 
          EXCELLENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AGAIN, I REC I RECOGNIZE THAT'S ONLY A WEEK FROM NOW. 
          UM, BUT, UH, BUT HAVING THAT, UH, TWO EXTRA MONTHS I THINK WOULD, WOULD TELL US A LOT ABOUT THE ACTUALS. 
          UH, YES. 
          WELL, IT WILL BE, SO PLEASE TRY HARD TO GET IT INCLUDED IN THE, WHAT IS PUBLISHED, UH, ON THE 12TH, UH, PUBLICLY. 
          AND I THINK COUNCIL WOULD GREATLY ENJOY RECEIVING IT NEXT FRIDAY, UH, A WEEK, SIX DAYS BEFORE THE 14TH. 
          SO I GUESS THE EIGHTH. 
          HOW'S THAT? DOES THAT SOUND GOOD? THE EIGHTH IS, COULD WE HAVE IT BY, I KNOW THAT'S TOMORROW, THE EIGHTH IS TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO LET'S GO MONDAY, WE'LL GO WITH, UH, OH, IT IS NEXT WEEK, AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          TUESDAY. 
          YES. 
          UH, I, I, MAYOR I CAN GET MARCHES IN THERE RIGHT AWAY. 
          UH, WE'RE JUST, WE'RE WORKING ON RECONCILING, UH, APRIL AT THIS TIME, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY GET MARCH IN THERE TOMORROW, UH, FOR YOU. 
          YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          I, I INSERTED AN EXTRA WEEK THAT DOESN'T EXIST. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PERHAPS FOR, UH, FOR THE WORK SESSION FOR THE SECOND READER WEEK, UH, ON MARCH 28TH, WE CAN HAVE THE APRIL 30 ACTUALS, MR. WADE, JUST WHATEVER WE GET IN, MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL, NOT JUST THE COUNCIL. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, IT'LL BE PUBLISHED IN THE PACKETS. 
          I WAS TRYING TO GET YOU A COUPLE EXTRA DAYS. 
          YES. 
          BUT YES. 
          UM, SO WE WILL BE PUBLISHING A, UH, BUDGET FOR THE RESOLUTION FOR NEXT THURSDAY. 
          THAT PUBLICATION WILL BE ON TUESDAY. 
          UH, COUNSEL, WE WILL NEED TO GIVE THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR SOME DIRECTION, AT LEAST ON WHAT, UH, TAX RATES TO INCLUDE IN THE 
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FIRST READER. 
          UH, WE CAN EITHER GIVE HIM THAT DIRECTION TONIGHT OR WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN THE INTERVENING TIME. 
          UH, BUT WE REALLY ONLY HAVE FIVE DAYS, NOT SEVEN, BECAUSE WE WANNA PUBLISH THIS, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC AT, AT A MINIMUM. 
          NOW, FIRST READER IS A FIRST READER, AND IT'S AN INTRODUCTION BY DEFINITION. 
          UH, IT CAN CHANGE ON SECOND READER, OBVIOUSLY, AS I SAID EARLIER AT THE BEGINNING OF THE NIGHT, IT CAN'T GO HIGHER, IT CAN GO LOWER. 
          SO IT'S SORT OF, UM, WELL, IT'S UP TO YOU WHAT YOU WANNA DO TO THIS EVENING. 
          UM, I'M VERY HAPPY THAT WE'RE CLOSE TO BEING BALANCED AS FAR AS EXPENDITURES WITH THE 5 CENTS, SORRY, REVENUE WITH THE 5 CENTS AND EXPENDITURES. 
          UM, I, THE ONLY SCENARIO THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE DEFICIT SPENDING FOR FY 27, IF IT WAS TO, UH, I DON'T KNOW THE RIGHT WORD, BUT GIVE BACK SOME OF THE TAX INCREASE. 
          UH, SO IF WE WERE TO GO TO 4 CENTS, I WOULD BE WILLING TO DEFICIT SPEND $94,000 INTO THE FUND BALANCE. 
          I WASN'T REAL WILLING TO DEFICIT SPEND IN ANY SIZABLE NUMBER IF IT ALL, IF IT STILL MEANT, UH, YOU KNOW, GOING TO 5 CENTS. 
          DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. 
          I'M TRYING TO, I'M SORRY I'M NOT MORE ARTICULATE, BUT, UM, I'LL JUST REMIND YOU, WE CAN SET THE RATE AT ANY HUNDREDTH OF A CENT WE WANT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP THIS 99 THING AROUND. 
          UM, I'LL JUST LEAVE IT THERE. 
          VICE MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION, WHICH IS THE OTHER NARRATIVE THAT'S BEEN HANGING AROUND WITH THE BUDGET IS THE NEED TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET BECAUSE OF THE DECISIONS MADE BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE A BOND RATING. 
          AND HOW DOES THAT FACTOR INTO, LIKE, OUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH DIPPING INTO THE FUND? BALANCE IS ONE THING, BUT WHAT ARE THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF NOT HAVING A BALANCED BUDGET WITH REGARD TO, UM, THE FINANCING OF THIS BUILDING? DO YOU WANT ME TO START ON THAT OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD MR. OR, OR MS. MOCK, IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          UH, YEAH, I, I MEAN I, WELL I'LL JUST OFFER MY 2 CENTS AND THEN THE PROFESSIONALS CAN TALK. 
          I THINK, UM, I THINK THAT A BOND RATING IS SERIOUS BUSINESS, ESPECIALLY IF WE MAY NEED TO, UM, BUILD SOMETHING AGAIN IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS. 
          IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUILD, IF ANY DIFFERENT BUILDINGS, LIKE IF WE'RE NOT GONNA RENOVATE THE POLICE STATION, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA RENOVATE TOWN HALL, THEN THE BOND RATING PROBABLY DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. 
          AND IF WE'RE GOING TO BORROW MONEY ON THAT SCALE, THEN IT KIND OF MATTERS. 
          UM, AGAIN, MY FOCUS REALLY STILL MOSTLY LEANS A NOT ON THE BOND RATING, BUT TOWARDS THE FUND BALANCE AND WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE FUND BALANCE. 
          UM, I KNOW WHAT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE, WHICH IS LIKE IN THE THREE MILLIONS. 
          I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IN THE FOUR MILLIONS I'M COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          I MIGHT HAVE TO RELY ON, ON MR. GALLOWAY AND MS. MOCK FOR ADVICE ON THAT. 
          UM, THAT'S MY 2 CENTS ON IT. 
          UM, MS. MOCK, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS? UM, I ALWAYS THINK IT'S PRUDENT TO HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET. 
          UM, SO, UH, THAT'S BEEN YOUR GOAL AS I UNDERSTAND IT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          UM, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THE BONDING COMPANY DO LOOK AT THAT, THOSE FACTORS. 
          NOW THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT CAUSE BUDGETS NOT TO BE BALANCED IF THERE'S, UH, CAPITAL EX EXPENDITURES THAT ARE BEING, UM, FUNDED. 
          BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THE GOAL OF HAVING A BALANCED BUDGET IS AN EXCELLENT GOAL. 
          MR. GALLOWAY, ANYTHING TO ADD? YEAH, I WILL SAY, I'VE, I'VE ASKED FOR THIS DURING THE VERY FIRST, FIRST YOU SMILE BECAUSE, UM, BALANCED BUDGET, HOWEVER, I'M IN MY MEETINGS WITH THE BOND RATING COMPANY ON A YEARLY BASIS. 
          I CONTINUE TO GET ASKED, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO BALANCE THE BUDGET? THEY CONTINUE, THEY CONTINUE TO SEE THE IMPROVEMENT THAT WE'VE MADE OVER THE YEAR, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A TIME IN WHICH THEY WILL DOWNGRADE OUR CREDIT SCORE. 
          THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DIDN'T GET A TRIPLE A BOND RATING IS BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF REVENUE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE'VE GOT, I KNOW WE CAN'T REALLY COUNT THIS, THE SPEED CAMERA REVENUE. 
          WE'VE GOT OTHER POTENTIAL STREAMS OF REVENUE THAT COULD BE COMING IN WITHIN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          SO I CONTINUE TO BUILD THAT UP. 
          I THINK THAT BALANCING THE BUDGET IS CRUCIAL TO, UM, BOND RATING AND THE SUCCESS OF THE, OF FUTURE OF THE TOWN'S FINANCIAL STABILITY. 
          WERE YOU DONE VICE MAYOR? I WAS DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          MR. TANZI, UM, JUST A BROADER POINT THAT 
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I HAVE RAISED IN THE PAST, BUT NOT TODAY. 
          I DO THINK PART OF THE TRANSPARENCY TO, UM, THE TOWN IS SAYING, ARE WE NOW WHERE WE WANT TO BE? DO WE NOW HAVE THE STAFF WE WANT, THE CAPACITY WE WANT BECAUSE SOME OF THE FEAR OF A TAX INCREASE IS THAT NEXT YEAR WE'LL NEED ANOTHER ONE AND ANOTHER ONE. 
          AND THE GOAL IS TO, AT SOME POINT SAY, THE TOWN NOW IS WHAT WE SAY WE WANT IT TO BE, AND COSTS ARE NOW BASICALLY, UH, ADJUSTED FOR INFLATION. 
          RIGHT? AND SO, SO LONG AS OUR HOME VALUES ARE APPRECIATING AT THE RATE OF INFLATION, OUR NEED TO INCREASE TAXES SHOULD DIMINISH AND UNLESS SOMETHING SPECIFIC HAPPENS. 
          SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE FROZEN POSITIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I DO THINK THAT SOME OF THE REASON I'M OKAY WITH A MODEST DEFICIT IS THAT I, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HONESTLY, TO SAY, ARE WE WHERE WE WANT TO BE? AND IF, ARE THERE STILL MORE THINGS TO CUT? UM, AND THEN WHEN WE'VE SAID THAT'S IT, NO ONE, NO ONE WANTS TO DIP BELOW THIS, THEN WE CAN SAY THEN THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN COSTS AND WE HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE'VE SAID WE WANT. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE CLOSER TO THAT. 
          I THINK THE MOST OBVIOUS EXAMPLE IS A FULLY FUNDED, UH, POLICE FORCE, BUT I DO WANT TO HAVE SOME WAY TO COMMUNICATE TO THE TOWN THAT WE ARE AT THAT NUMBER OR APPROACHING IT SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOME PROSPECT OF SAYING, THIS IS NOW WHAT TAXES COST IN C AND THEY SHOULD BE AROUND THAT UNTIL WHAT THE TOWN WANTS EXPANDS, LIKE IF WE WANT TO TAKE OUT BONDS TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE MAYOR LISTED. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER TANZI. 
          I DO INTEND ON ELABORATING A LITTLE BIT MORE IN MY BUDGET MESSAGE, UH, THIS YEAR EXPLAINING, UM, WHY THINGS ARE THE WAY THEY ARE. 
          SO I'LL, I'LL DO PLAN ON ELABORATING MORE ON THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, COUNSEL, WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO NEXT? WOULD YOU LIKE WHAT OR HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO GET THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR THE INSTRUCTION THAT HE NEEDS FOR, UH, PREPARING THE BUDGET FOR THE, UM, INTRODUCTION NEXT WEEK? YES, NEXT WEEK. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE A MOTION AND TAKE A VOTE. 
          WHAT ARE WE, WHEN, WHAT WOULD BE WE WOULD BE VOTING ON? I THINK WE SHOULD VOTE ON AT LEAST WHAT TAX RATE WE WANT THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO USE FOR THE VERSION OF THE BUDGET THAT IS THE FIRST READER WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN ADJUST IT SLIGHTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          DOWNWARD OR, UH, OR, OR IT'S NOT ABOVE 6 2, 9 9 AND 1 0 3. 
          MR. LULO, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO SEE A BUDGET WITH, AGAIN, WITH DIFFERENT NUMBERS WITH A 3 CENT, A 4 CENT AND A 5 CENT? I THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE. 
          THAT IS A, UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I MEAN, I THINK SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY HOURS OF WORK THAT IS. 
          UH, IT IS NOT ZERO, BUT, UM, I'LL LET MR. GALLOWAY, UH, OPINE ON THAT. 
          UM, I OSTENSIBLY YOU WOULD BE WANTING TO SEE THAT AND THEN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH THAT IN HAND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT INTRODUCING MULTIPLE BUDGETS ON NEXT THURSDAY. 
          NO. 
          SO, I MEAN, I, I'M NOT ARGUING WITH YOU. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK IT IT THROUGH. 
          UM, DID YOU WANT TO COME IN OR DID YOU? ME? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UH, LET'S GO TO, LET'S GO TO AND THEN OH, TO WHAT? OKAY. 
          LET'S GO TO COUNCIL MEMBER FRY AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO COUNCIL MEMBER WADE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION. 
          WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT LIKE A 3, 4, 5, YOU'RE JUST SAYING YOU WANNA SEE WHAT THE PROPOSED NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE AT A THREE? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT NOT THAT THE EXPENDITURES OR ANYTHING ELSE WOULD SHIFT? NO, NO. 
          I THINK HE IS OR YOU WANT THE EXP BUT THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION BECAUSE I'M ALSO, SO YOU WANNA SEE A BUDGET? IF WE WERE AT A 3 CENT, HOW WOULD THE POLICE ADJUST TO THAT? NO. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU'RE SAYING JUST TO SEE WHAT THE REVENUE NUMBERS WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT REQUEST. 
          I KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE NUMBER 
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IS. 
          IT WILL BE 94,000 LESS AT 4 CENTS, UH, AND, UM, 188,000 LESS AT 3 CENTS. 
          OKAY. 
          RESPOND. 
          YES. 
          THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE THAT WE KNOW WHAT IT IS, BUT THE PEOPLE WANT TO SEE, AS I MENTIONED OVER THE BREAK, I, I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE AT ZERO ZERO TAX INCREASE, 2.5, WHICH IS HALF AND AT FIVE. 
          SO THEY CAN SEE THE RANGE OF EXACTLY WHAT IT, THERE'S CLEARLY, UH, OUR RESIDENTS ARE CON VERY CONCERNED, RIGHTFULLY SO, ABOUT ANY TAX INCREASE. 
          SO YOU SEE IT AT ZERO, YOU SEE IT AT 2.5 AND YOU SEE IT AT FIVE. 
          AND THEN SPENDING IS JUST ACROSS ALL OF THOSE CONSTANT AT 11,000,005 90, RIGHT. 
          WITH THE UPDATED NUMBERS THAT WE JUST WENT OVER NOW, YEAH, THAT'S 11 MILLION 590 91, BUT 11,000,591. 
          I, I THOUGHT WHAT THEY WERE ASKING WAS IF IT WERE TO BE BALANCED, LIKE WHAT WOULD BE THE SACRIFICES AT EACH LEVEL, RIGHT? LIKE WHAT WOULD WE HAVE TO CUT IF WE HAD TO DO IT THIS WAY TO GET THE BALANCE? LIKE THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT'S A MUCH MORE YES. 
          AND SO THAT'S A MUCH BIGGER ASK, BUT IT'S A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED ANSWER THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS KIND OF ASKING FOR. 
          WELL, I LOOK LIKE WHERE, SORRY. 
          SO I LOOK AT IT AS WE CUT, WE CUT A LOT. 
          THANK YOU TO EVERYONE SINCE THE APRIL. 
          SO BASED ON WHAT WE'VE CUT SO FAR AS A TEAM, WE CAN GO OFF THOSE NUMBERS. 
          'CAUSE IT'S BALANCED NOW, CORRECT? EFFECTIVELY, YES. 
          AT 5 CENTS IT'S EFFECTIVELY BALANCED. 
          SO BASICALLY WE CAN PRESENT TO THE PUBLIC, WE HAVE A BALANCED BUDGET AT 5 CENTS, AT 5 CENTS AT FIVE, AT AT 62.9 AND AND 1 0 3. 
          SO WE DID SOME WORK REGARDING THAT TO BALANCE, AT LEAST BALANCE IT. 
          BUT THEN IF IT'S AT ZERO AND IT'S AT 2.5 AND IT'S AT FIVE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT. 
          THAT'S NOT IS THAT A HARD TASK TO DO THAT EVEN AT, EVEN AT OH, I SEE. 
          YOU WANNA SEE THE NEGATIVE NUMBER, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, RIGHT. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, I MEAN, BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT, WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTS DON'T WANT TAX INCREASE. 
          NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          NO, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          SO THAT, SO YOU WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE AT 0 CENT INCREASE IT'S NEGATIVE 4, 9, 490 $5,000. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT, BUT THE RESIDENTS I GOT WANNA SEE IT. 
          NO, I SEE. 
          I MEAN I CAN ALSO SEE THE, THE TRANSPARENT VALUE RIGHT OF THAT GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. 
          UM, A FEW THINGS ABOUT THAT. 
          LIKE YOU JUST SAID, WE HAVE A FIRST READER NEXT WEEK AND WE CANNOT DO A FIRST READER FOR MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF THE BUDGET. 
          UM, SO I THINK WE WILL NEED TO DECIDE TONIGHT WHAT THAT FIRST READER IS. 
          IT CAN CHANGE, BUT I THINK IT'S LESS TRANSPARENT TO NOT SAY THIS IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO, TAKE A LOOK AND WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, RIGHT? WE CAN PROVIDE THOSE NUMBERS TO THE PUBLIC, BUT I THINK IT'S UNFAIR TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE TONIGHT TO NOT GO ON RECORD TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK THE TAX RATE SHOULD BE. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE WE CUT ENOUGH TONIGHT. 
          IT'S NOT LIKE WE CUT ENOUGH TONIGHT. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD MAKE UP AN ENTIRE PERCENTAGE OF THE TAX INCREASE. 
          WE DID NOT CUT $94,000. 
          WELL, AND I THINK TO YOUR POINT, VICE MAYOR, WE SEEM PRETTY OKAY. 
          AND, AND, AND PRETTY CONFIDENT IN THE, IN THE, IN THE EXPENDITURE. 
          I MEAN, I THINK I, I'M NOT TRYING TO PUSH ANY OF YOU, UH, I'M NOT TRYING TO TWIST ANY ARMS, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE, WELL, MAYBE I'M MISREADING IT. 
          ARE, ARE ANY OF YOU DRAMATICALLY UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE $11,591,000 IN EXPENDITURES? VICE, UH, COUNCIL MEMBER FRY? I MEAN, I THINK WE COULD LOOK A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO THINGS OF, AGAIN, WANTS VERSUS NEEDS, UM, TO SEE WHERE WE COULD CUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'LL GO ABOVE THE 94,000, BUT IT'LL, IN JUST WAY A LITTLE BIT CLOSER. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS, SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY IS WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          I, I MEAN, UH, OKAY. 
          WHAT I, WHEN YOU SAY THAT, WHAT I HEAR IS A BUDGET MEETING MONDAY, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW WE ELSE, WE WOULD KNOW WHAT EXPENDITURES, WHICH, LET'S BE HONEST, THE TAXES ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO PEOPLE. 
          THE REVENUE IS MUCH MORE COMP. 
          I MEAN, THE, THE EXPENDITURES ARE MUCH MORE COMPLICATED. 
          SO WITHOUT HAVING ANOTHER MEETING, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD KNOW WHAT TO PUBLISH ON, UM, ON, ON TUESDAY FOR THURSDAY, UNLESS WE'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THE FIRST READER AND THE SECOND READER TO GO OVER THE EXPENDITURES AGAIN. 
          WHICH, I MEAN, WE COULD, I MEAN, IN REALITY WE HAVE FIVE WEEKS UNTIL WE'RE ADOPTING IT. 
          UM, YOU GUYS TELL ME HOW YOU WANNA SPEND THE TIME, MR. GALLOWAY. 
          [02:10:02]
ALRIGHT, IF I WILL. 
          THANK YOU, UH, SO MUCH. 
          YOUR TOWN ADMINISTRATOR, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR AND YOUR CHIEF OF POLICE HAVE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND HAVE MADE A LOT OF DRASTIC CUTS. 
          UM, NOW IF WE CONTINUE TO CUT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT CUTTING STAFF, WE CAN TALK ABOUT FURLOUGHING STAFF OR WE CAN TALK ABOUT LAYING STAFF OFF. 
          I THINK THAT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW IS WHAT WE CAN, THE PROFESSIONAL RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN MAKE TO YOU ALL IT, IT, WE'VE MADE IT, WE'VE MADE IT. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY IT'S COME WITH A FULL-TIME 24 7 POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE TOTAL COST WOULD BE UNTIL IT BECAME 24 7. 
          THAT'S BEEN A DEMAND OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL FOR OF ME EVER SINCE I'VE GOTTEN HERE. 
          AND THEN AS SOON AS CHIEF MORRIS HAS GOT HERE, THAT IMMEDIATE DEMAND. 
          SO I JUST WANNA LET YOU KNOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO TALK ABOUT CUTTING HERE. 
          CUTTING THERE AT SOME POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO JEOPARDIZE THE ORGANIZATION AND I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT OVER. 
          I THINK WE'RE BACK TO MR. WADE AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. 
          I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS THERE'S BEEN A RESOUNDING, UM, FROM OUR FELLOW RESIDENTS THAT WE HAVE MADE A LOT OF PROGRESS HERE. 
          I WANT TO PRESENT THAT TO MY WARD ONE RESIDENTS AND GET THEIR INPUT BEFORE I MAKE ANY DECISION ABOUT ANY TYPE OF TAX INCREASE, DECREASE, STAY THE SAME, WELL INCREASE OR STAY THE SAME. 
          SO THE TIME IS NEEDED FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE INFORMED ABOUT THIS PRIOR TO, TO ME MAKING A DECISION REGARDING, UM, MAKING A DECISION REGARDING ANY TYPE OF TAX INCREASE OR STAYING THE SAME. 
          I OWE THAT TO MY, MY NEIGHBORS TO DO THAT. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          SO I'M NOT LOOKING TO SACRIFICE PERSONNEL, UM, IN ANYWAY. 
          I'M SAYING WE LOOK AT OTHER THINGS, UM, LIKE OUR TRAINING AND CONFERENCE BUDGET, LIKE THE FIREWORKS LOWERING SOME OF OUR GRANTS, UM, NOT GET GETTING RID OF, BUT LIKE, UM, FOR THE TOWN GROUND, I THINK THEY'RE NOT EVEN AT 10,000 YET. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE WITH THE ACTUALS, BUT IT'S AT 15. 
          CAN WE LOWER THAT WITH THE YOUTH INSTEAD OF 13? CAN IT BE 10 K? UM, THE TNR PROGRAM AND THE TREE SERVICES, UM, IS AT 200. 
          DOES IT HAVE TO BE AT 200? CAN IT BE AT ONE 50 THIS YEAR? THAT'S 50,000 RIGHT THERE. 
          LIKE, THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS I'M LOOKING AT. 
          I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL. 
          UM, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT SACRIFICING ANY OF THAT AND I'M TALKING ABOUT IT FOR THIS YEAR. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE, UM, A LITTLE LIKE, AS MUCH AS I'D LOVE TO BE LIKE, YEAH, WE'RE DOING THE 5 CENTS AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE MOVING UP AFTER THAT. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ANNEXING. 
          HOW ARE WE GONNA ANNEX AND BE ABLE TO GUARANTEE WE'RE NOT GONNA BE BRINGING UP TAX RATES WHEN WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO INCREASE STAFF IF WE DO ANNEX. 
          RIGHT? BUT THEN AT THE SAME TIME, THROUGH ANNEXATION, WE SHOULD BE BRINGING IN MORE COMMERCIAL REVENUE AT SOME POINT, RIGHT? SO, BUT THERE'S GONNA BE SOME GROWING PAINS WITH THAT. 
          SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN SAVE 5 CENTS THIS YEAR AND THAT THERE'S NOTHING NEXT YEAR. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW THAT WE CAN SAVE 0 CENTS THIS YEAR AND THERE'S NOTHING NEXT YEAR. 
          I THINK THAT, SO WE, WE GOTTA REALLY LOOK AT THOSE WANTS VERSUS THE NEEDS, RIGHT? I WANNA GO TO A CONFERENCE, DO I NEED TO GO TO THE CONFERENCE? I WANT FIREWORKS. 
          AND MAYBE WE BRING THAT DOWN AND WE ASK CHEVROLET DAY AND THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, HEY, WE STILL WANT FIREWORKS. 
          LET'S ALL WORK TO EITHER, I DON'T KNOW, GOFUNDME, FIND SPONSORS, WHATEVER IT IS TO, YOU KNOW, COMPLIMENT THAT BUDGET. 
          SO IT'S NOT COMING JUST FROM THE TOWN. 
          I WOULD SUGGEST A PROJECT CHARGE FOR CHEVROLET DAY, BUT I DON'T THINK WE WOULD GET ONE. 
          SO THOSE KIND OF THINGS, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE STAFF. 
          I'M SAYING LET'S LOOK AT THE WANTS AND THE NEEDS. 
          I WANT COMPOST. 
          I'M NOT GETTING IT OR I AM BECAUSE I'M GOING TO PAY FOR IT. 
          RIGHT? SO WHERE, WHERE ELSE CAN WE CUT THAT? AND THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. 
          UM, WE DID, YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY TAKEN WHAT YOU CAN WITHOUT SACRIFICING THOSE THINGS THAT YOU GUYS KNOW WE WANT. 
          BUT I'M SAYING FOR US AS THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, WHAT IS IT THAT WE NEED VERSUS WHAT IS IT THAT WE WANT AND WHERE CAN WE CUT THERE? SO I, I THINK THAT DESERVES A CONVERSATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY ELSE IS ON BOARD WITH IT THOUGH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF THEY'RE NOT, WE VOTE THE WAY WE VOTE TONIGHT AND WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT IF YOU ARE AND YOU WANNA HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, THEN LET'S HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          [02:15:02]
SO IF, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER FRY, IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE SPENDING DOWN, I I'M JUST GONNA MAKE UP A NUMBER HERE. 
          LET'S SAY A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
          'CAUSE I HEARD SOME SOMETHING ON THE ORDER OF LIKE THAT. 
          SO IF YOU WERE ABLE TO GET THE SPENDING DOWN TO LIKE 11 MILLION, 500,000, WHAT WOULD YOU DO WITH THE 91,000 YOU JUST SAVED? WOULD YOU, UH, ONLY RAISE TAXES 4 CENTS OR YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD PUT THAT IN THE RAINY DAY FUND, THE 91,000? 'CAUSE IF WE'RE BALANCED, THEN WE'RE ALLOWED TO RUN A SURPLUS . 
          I I WOULD DEFINITELY NOT WANNA DO, LIKE, I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE 5 CENTS AT ALL. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO BRING IT DOWN LOWER THAN THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO SAVING THE 91 WOULD ALLOW YOU TO BRING IT DOWN ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE HEAR THEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY COME HERE TO SAY LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOTTA TIGHTEN THEIR BELTS. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING IT TOO? UM, AND LIKE, WE'RE ALSO ASKING THEM TO BRING MORE MONEY INTO IT. 
          SO IT'S LIKE SOME, SOME LEVEL OF, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA SAY COMPROMISE, BUT JUST HAVING THAT HARD CONVERSATION AND JUST BEING, YOU KNOW, VERY HONEST ABOUT WHAT, WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE AND WHAT WE ABSOLUTELY CAN JUST LET GO OF AT LEAST FOR A YEAR, UM, RIGHT. 
          AND TO SEE WHERE WE ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. 
          I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I, I FEEL LIKE I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR, BUT THE, THE BUDGET SEASON STARTED IN JANUARY AND I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE MEETINGS WHERE WE GO OVER THE BUDGET AND THEN WE GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE SAY, OKAY, IT IS TIME TO GO ON RECORD ABOUT THESE TAXES. 
          AND THEN EVERYONE'S LIKE, OH NO, I'M NOT DONE WITH THE BUDGET YET. 
          UM, THIS IS WHAT ALL THOSE MEETINGS WERE FOR WHEN WE WENT OVER THIS WAS TO SAY, DO WE REALLY NEED THAT? UM, AND I FIND IT FRUSTRATING TO GET TO THIS POINT WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE A FIRST READER IN ONE WEEK AND WE STILL CAN'T SAY, THIS IS WHAT AT LEAST THE FIRST DRAFT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND GO ON RECORD AND SAY, YES, THIS IS WHAT WE DID. 
          I THINK WE DID GREAT WORK TONIGHT. 
          WE DID NOT DO A WHOLE CENT OF TAXES WORK. 
          RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THINGS ARE MEASURABLY GOING TO CHANGE. 
          I THINK THERE'S A SCENARIO WHERE WE VOTE TONIGHT TO DO HALF A CENT OFF, DO FOUR AND A HALF CENT INCREASE AND THEN SEE IF WE CAN GET IT DOWN EVEN LOWER NEXT WEEK. 
          BUT I THINK THERE IS A, THERE IS A HESITANCE TO SAY THIS IS WHAT OUR TOWN NEEDS, EVEN IF IT'S AN UNPOPULAR OPINION. 
          AND I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO MAKE UNPOPULAR DECISIONS AND TO JUST DO IT. 
          AND I, AND I WOULD ADD, I THINK DURING THE READER PROCESS, WE CAN ADJUST THE TAX RATE AND WE CAN ADJUST SPENDING. 
          IT'S JUST THAT YOU'RE DELVING INTO A MULTI-HOUR CONVERSATION. 
          WE CAN DO THAT. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T DO THAT ON MAY 14TH OR MAY 28TH. 
          SHOULDN'T DO THAT ON JUNE 11TH, PROBABLY. 
          UM, COUNCIL MEMBER WADE, I'LL ASK THE VICE MAYOR WHO'S HESITANT ABOUT, UH, MAKING DECISIONS. 
          THIS IS A POWER OF THE PROCESS. 
          THE RESIDENTS CAME OUT TODAY IN DROVES. 
          THIS NORMALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN. 
          JUST LIKE A CURRENT, ANOTHER SITUATION HAPPENED AND WE VOTED ON THAT. 
          SO WHEN OUR RESIDENTS SPEAK, WE ADJUST AND WE, AND WE LISTEN TO OUR RESIDENTS AND IN SOME REGARDS. 
          SO I'M NOT HESITANT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE IS HESITANT HERE, BUT I'M LISTENING TO MY RESIDENTS WHO ARE VERY MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS AND WE'VE GOTTA PUT OUR BIG BOY PANTS ON OR GIRL PANTS ON. 
          IF WE GOTTA MEET AGAIN AND GET IT DONE, WE DO THAT. 
          BUT WE CLEARLY, THERE'S A ISSUE WITH THE LEVEL OF TRANSPARENCY. 
          WE'VE HEARD THAT ISSUE. 
          LAST, LAST, UM, COUNCIL, MAYOR, COUNCIL. 
          WE'RE HEARING IT AGAIN. 
          IF IT, IS IT TRUE OR NOT? I DON'T TOTALLY THINK IT'S NOT TRUE, BUT CLEARLY THAT'S A CONCERN. 
          AND WE'RE DEALING WITH CHALLENGING TIMES. 
          SO I THINK THIS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE THINK IT THROUGH ALL THE WAY. 
          SO I JUST WANNA KNOW WHO'S HESITANT ABOUT MAKING TOUGH DECISIONS? I'VE NEVER BEEN HESITANT ABOUT ANYTHING, SO I'M NOT SURE WHO ELSE IS HERE THAT'S HESITANT ABOUT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, ANYONE ELSE? UM, OKAY. 
          SEEING NO HANDS, I THINK WHAT WE, I SEE, I SEE TWO CHOICES. 
          EITHER WE GIVE THE, THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR DIRECTION NOW INFORMALLY AS TO WHAT HE'S PUBLISHING OR WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AS LATE AS MONDAY AND GIVE 
          [02:20:01]
HIM DIRECTION AT THAT TIME. 
          I THINK MONDAY'S THE DROP DEAD DATE, AGAIN FOR THE FIRST READER. 
          AND WE CAN HAVE ANY CONVERSATION AS DETAILED OR NOT DETAILED DURING THAT AGENDA ITEM NEXT THURSDAY AS WE WANT. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO, AGAIN, TO THE TRANSPARENCY POINT, WE HAVE TO PUBLISH SOMETHING. 
          AND ON THE TOP OF PAGE TWO WE'LL BE THE TAX RATES AND THEN BELOW THAT WILL BE 11 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS OF SPENDING. 
          IT DOESN'T HAVE TO STAY AT 11 5 91, BUT IT HAS TO START, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE. 
          WE HAVE TO START WITH SOMETHING. 
          UM, I'M FINE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING. 
          DAVID, GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY THAT I PERSONALLY THINK THAT PUBLISHING WHAT WE CAME UP WITH TONIGHT AND THE DIFFERENT, UH, AMOUNTS OF REVENUE AT DIFFERENT, UM, TAX RATES AND IDEALLY WITH SOME OF THE FEE STRUCTURE FIGURED OUT OR AT LEAST ESTIMATED, UH, IS USEFUL. 
          AND I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BECAUSE THOSE NUMBERS WILL ALLOW US TO SAY, HEY, IS THIS IN THE SCOPE OR SCALE OF SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SOLVE? SO EVEN IF WE SAY WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR A, A MODEST BUDGET, UH, DEFICIT, WE CAN SAY, BUT IT WAS $50,000. 
          WE CAN FIND $50,000 BY SAYING THE TREE BUDGET IS GONNA BE 50,000 LESS SURE. 
          OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AT LEAST THEN THE THE, THE SCALE IS THERE, RIGHT? IF IT'S 300,000, WE'RE NOT FINE IN 300,000 IN MISCELLANEOUS, UH, SAVINGS. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO, AND, AND I THINK THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER, UH, MEETING THAT I'M NOT SURE WOULD WE, YOU KNOW, WE'D REALLY BE NITPICKING AT THAT POINT. 
          I THINK HAVING A SENSE OF OF SCALE IS, IS ENOUGH FOR US TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. 
          UH, I'M KIND OF ON TEAM TANZI, BUT, UH, GO AHEAD, VICE MAYOR. 
          SO TO CLARIFY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING WAS MORE TO VOTE ON WHAT THE TAX RATE WILL BE ON THE PUBLISHED BUDGET BECAUSE WE NEED TO PUBLISH A BUDGET IN ORDER TO HAVE A FIRST READER AND THAT BUDGET NEEDS TO HAVE A TAX RATE. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THIS MEETING IS SO THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          IF THERE IS NOT AN APPETITE TO DO THAT TONIGHT. 
          I THINK THERE'S A SCENARIO TONIGHT WHERE WE CAN DO A HALF CENT OR A WELL A HALF CENT I THINK IS, IS WHAT IS LIKE THE MOST SORT OF SAFE AND THEN ADJUST FROM THERE. 
          BUT WE DO, LIKE, IN ORDER TO HAVE A FIRST READER, WE NEED A BUDGET. 
          AND IT IS TRANSPARENT TO ALLOW OUR RESIDENTS TO SEE THAT BUDGET FARTHER IN ADVANCE THAN TWO DAYS. 
          WELL, I DON'T THINK, YES. 
          I I DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC THAT IT WILL BE PUBLISHED MORE THAN TWO DAYS AHEAD OF TIME. 
          MAYBE THREE. 
          I THINK THREE IS PROBABLY THE OUTER LIMIT OF, OF THE PUBLICATION. 
          YES. 
          THE BUDGET WILL NEED TO HAVE NUMBERS IN IT. 
          UM, AND THOSE, UH, THOSE NUMBERS WILL BE WHAT'S ON, WHAT'S READ THE FIRST TIME AND THE CONVERSATION CAN GO HOWEVER IT GOES. 
          BUT, UM, YEAH, I AGREE. 
          I MEAN THERE HAVE TO BE NUMBERS AND THERE HAVE TO BE SPENDING AND THERE HAVE TO BE TAX NUMBERS. 
          THERE HAVE TO BE ALL THE REVENUE NUMBERS. 
          UH, SO WHAT DO I MEAN? I MEAN TO, TO, I LOVE THE IDEA OF THE DIFFERENT TAX RATES. 
          'CAUSE I THINK IT'S REALLY CLEAR AND IT SPELLS IT OUT, BUT I THINK, UM, I THINK, UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUBLISH THAT AS A FIRST READER THOUGH, BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T, DO YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? MAYBE IT'S A SEPARATE DOCUMENT AND IT'S EARLIER. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, WHY DON'T YOU COME BACK IN AND THEN WE'LL MAYBE WE'LL TURN TO THE PUBLIC TO HELP, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          WE CAN DO THE, THE THREE DIFFERENT LEVELS AND STILL HAVE A A, UH, FIRST READER ON A NUMBER SET NUMBER. 
          SURE. 
          I MEAN, WE YES. 
          YOU MEAN, UH, YES. 
          WE COULD PUBLISH A DOCUMENT THAT HAS, THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS BUT HAS THE THREE DIFFERENT LAYERS, DIFFERENT LAYERS. 
          AND THEN, UH, WE WILL NEED TO INTRODUCE ONE OF THOSE LAYERS ON THURSDAY. 
          RIGHT? SO I'M NOT LOOKING AT FIVE, 5 CENTS, BUT SAY IF WE, SINCE WE'RE DOING ZERO, 2.5, 2.5 AND FIVE, DO IT EITHER AT 2.5 OR THREE AS THAT WE CAN STILL GO UP OR GO DOWN, CORRECT. 
          WE CAN GO DOWN. 
          WE CAN'T, OKAY, SO GO DOWN. 
          WE CAN'T GO ABOVE 6 2, 9 9 OR ONE N 1 0 3. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS IS, WE CAN DO IT AT THAT NUMBER MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN WE STILL CAN HAVE IT PUBLISHED AT ZERO 2.5 AND AT FIVE 
          [02:25:01]
AND THEN AT THE, THAT WE CAN MAY HAVE A VOTE ON IT AT THE, UH, WE HAVE TO HAVE A VOTE ON IT, CORRECT? WELL, WE COULD, I MEAN WE, WE, WE, WE WILL BE VOTING ON IT ON JUNE 11TH, RIGHT? VOTING, VOTING, VOTING ON IT. 
          JUNE 11TH. 
          RIGHT? WE WILL NEED TO INTRODUCE SOME, SOME VERSION, VERSION A, VERSION B OR VERSION C, UH, NEXT THURSDAY. 
          UM, I, I CAN DO THAT. 
          I THINK THE 5 CENTS FIVE AND 1 0 3 IS A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S DOESN'T HAVE ANY RED, RED ON IT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S BALANCED. 
          AND THEN MAYBE FOUR AND THREE LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WHY DON'T WE TAKE AND DO A SPEED ROUND OF PUBLIC INPUT, UM, GIVEN THE LATE HOUR. 
          SHALL WE DO TWO MINUTES AND ONE, MAYOR, MAYOR, CAN YOU EXTEND THE TIME OF THE MEETING PLEASE? IS THERE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING? MOTION TO EXTEND THE MEETING BY 10 MINUTES. 
          SECOND. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, THE MOTION'S BEEN MADE TO EXTEND THE MEETING TILL 10 40, UH, AND SECONDED. 
          ANY DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          YOUR NAME AND WARD AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          LELA AZI, WARD ONE. 
          I'LL TRY TO STAY WITHIN TWO MINUTES. 
          ONE, UM, I CALL FOR YOU NOT TO TAKE A VOTE TONIGHT. 
          UM, IT IS NOT APPROPRIATE. 
          YOU NEED TO SCHEDULE TO TAKE A VOTE ON THE TAX RATE, UM, IN ANOTHER MEETING. 
          THE OTHER THING IS THE NUMBERS AREN'T COMPLETE. 
          I THINK THAT YOU NEED A SUMMARY IN THIS MEETING OF WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR TO EXPLORE AS FAR AS REVENUE, SPECIFY IT, MAKE IT CLEAR SO THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR CAN COME BACK WITH THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT EXPENSES, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE REVENUE. 
          THEN THE IDEA OF DOING 4 CENTS, I'M GONNA TELL YOU JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IS ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS. 
          SO THE OTHER SITUATION THAT YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SPREAD OUT THE COST? HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA ASK RESIDENTS FOR? HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA DIP INTO THE FUND BALANCE FOR? AND HOW MUCH ARE YOU GONNA ASK FOR THE BELTS TO BE TIGHTENED? SO THAT'S WHAT YOU NEED TO PRESENT AND THAT'S WHAT THE TOWN ADMINISTRATOR NEEDS TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TOGETHER TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH WE'RE PROPOSING, INCREASING THESE FEES, INCREASING THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN BRING MORE ONTO THAT EXPENSE. 
          I, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE BRINGING IT IN AT HALF A CENT, PEOPLE ARE JUST GONNA BE INFURIATED AND FEEL THAT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN HEARD. 
          SO PLEASE TAKE THAT TIME. 
          IF THAT MEANS IT'S A MONDAY MEETING, THOSE WHO CAN'T ATTEND WILL, THOSE WHO CAN'T WILL VIEW THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND, AND SEE THERE. 
          UM, BUT DON'T, DON'T GO AND MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT WHEN YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE REVENUE AND YOU HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATION ABOUT THE EXTENT THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO DIP INTO THE FUND BALANCE, WHICH TO ME WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT WAS PROJECTED, THE 470. 
          SO MAKE ALL THAT UP, ALL THOSE DECISIONS, DISCUSS IT OPENLY, HEAR THE PUBLIC AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE, I'M SORRY, MS. W WERE YOU SAYING SOMEONE'S ONLINE? OH, OKAY. 
          I CAN'T SEE THAT. 
          WHO IS IT? MS. CLAY. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          MS. CLAY, CAN YOU, CAN YOU, ARE YOU ABLE TO SPEAK, UM, DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU HAVE YEAH. 
          YOUR NAME AND WARD AND YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. 
          ANNA CLAY WARD SIX. 
          UM, I JUST SECOND WITH THE PREVIOUS MAYOR SAID, I DON'T THINK THE VOTE SHOULD BE TONIGHT ABOUT, UM, THE TAX INCREASE. 
          I THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE TIME FOR IN CONSIDERATION OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE SAID. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, UM, WHAT THE RESIDENTS OR HOW THE COST IS GOING TO BE SPLIT, UM, SO THAT EVERYTHING DOESN'T FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST ON US. 
          AND THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GO AHEAD JOYCE JONES, WARD SIX. 
          WHAT THE PREVIOUS TWO RESIDENTS SAID. 
          I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE TO ME. 
          IT'S CLEAR YOU'RE NOT READY TO, TO TAKE A VOTE. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE NUMBERS. 
          I THINK IT'S DISINGENUOUS TO PUT SOMETHING BEFORE FOLKS AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS YET. 
          YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE ADJUSTED NUMBERS ON PAPER. 
          I THINK THAT IS DISINGENUOUS AND I THINK THAT IS NOT TAKING HEED TO ALL THE FOLK WHO WERE HERE WHEN THIS STARTED. 
          AND FOR THE SEVEN OF US WHO ARE HERE FOUR HOURS LATER, TO NOT HEAR ALL OF THAT, TO ME IS DISINGENUOUS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ONLINE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE? 
          [02:30:03]
OKAY. 
          UH, SO COUNSEL, I THINK WE'RE ALMOST DONE. 
          SO I THINK THERE, WHAT I HEAR IS A VERY CLEAR DESIRE TO HAVE A PUBLIC FACING DOCUMENT THAT, UM, HAS THE 11 MILLION, STARTING WITH THE EASY PART HAS THE 11,000,591 IN EXPENDITURES. 
          I, I HOPE I ADDED RIGHT. 
          AND THEN, UH, PRESENTS THE TAX RATE AT A HUNDRED, AT A DOLLAR THREE. 
          THAT'S THE EASY ONE. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT AT A DOLLAR THREE AND THEN PRESENTS A 5 CENT INCREASE, A 4 CENT INCREASE, A 3 CENT INCREASE, A 2 CENT INCREASE, AND WHAT THOSE RED NUMBERS START TO LOOK LIKE. 
          UM, AT 5 CENTS, I THINK IT'S ZERO PRETTY MUCH. 
          AND THEN CASCADING DOWN LIKE THAT AND THEN THE RESULTING IMPACT ON THE $4.767 MILLION FUND BALANCE. 
          UM, DO WE WANT TO MEET AGAIN OR SIMPLY BRING THAT DOCUMENT NEXT THURSDAY AND INTRODUCE THE DOCUMENT WITH ONE, UH, OF THOSE TAX RATES? YOU HAVE AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION. 
          I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST STRAIGHT OUT GOING THE OTHER WAY. 
          WHAT IF WE JUST PRESENT THIS DOCUMENT THAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING ON THURSDAY AND WHAT IF WE DON'T DO THE FIRST READER ON THURSDAY AND JUST EXTEND THE TIMELINE THE OTHER WAY AND HAVE THE SE THE FIRST READER DOWN THE LINE THE OTHER WAY THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET ON MONDAY, SO THAT WE PRESENT THIS DOCUMENT THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING THURSDAY TO GIVE EVERYONE A WEEK TO DIGEST IT AND THEN PUSH THE FIRST READER DOWN ANOTHER WEEK OR ANOTHER TWO WEEKS TO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE EVERYONE TIME TO DIGEST THESE NUMBERS AND GO FROM THERE. 
          WE HAVE FIVE WEEKS TO ADOPT THE BUDGET, RIGHT? NO, I LOVE, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY, WE, WE HAVE AN EXTRA WEEK TO WORK WITH IN THERE. 
          I DON'T LIKE TO DO THREE READERS THREE THURSDAYS IN A ROW, BUT WE CAN CERTAINLY INTRODUCE ONE-OFF WEEK IN THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE FUDGED THE CALENDAR A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S DOABLE. 
          I MEAN, SURE. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYBODY EL DISLIKE THIS IDEA ACTIVELY. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT LEAVES US WHAT I'M TALKING, SIR. 
          THE, I KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT DOESN'T LEAVE US DIVING ANY FURTHER INTO THE $11,591,000 IN EXPENDITURES. 
          WE CAN DO THAT ON THURSDAY. 
          WE COULD PRESUMABLY DO THAT ON THE FIRST READER, WHICH NOW SOUNDS LIKE IT'S MAYBE ON THE 21ST. 
          UM, I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER FRY HAD SOME INTEREST IN DIGGING IN THERE TO LOOK FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND OR SO. 
          UM, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT IF YOU DON'T WANNA DO IT, WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          SO YOU TELL ME WHAT YOU WANNA DO. 
          UH, AND DON'T TAKE TOO LONG TO TELL ME MR. GALLOWAY, I, I, I LOVE THAT IDEA. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER RK. 
          AND IN FACT, UM, I WILL MAKE THIS RECOMMENDATION AGAIN TO EVERYONE THAT HASN'T TAKEN ME UP ON THIS OFFER. 
          PLEASE MEET WITH THE CHIEF AND THE DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS AND MYSELF SO THAT WE CAN GO OVER THESE NUMBERS WITH YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS IMPORTANT. 
          THIS IS OUR FOURTH BUDGET MEETING. 
          UM, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT. 
          A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT WE'RE MAKING, LIKE THE TREE STUFF, WE'RE TRYING TO PUT OUR HATS ON AS IF WE WERE YOU ALL MM-HMM . 
          SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF WE CAN GET SOME DIRECT INPUT FROM YOU ALL AND PRODUCE THOSE NUMBERS. 
          OKAY. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I KNOW, I KNOW WE'RE DOING THE UPDATED ACTUALS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION FOR US, FOR US ABOUT WHAT WE WANT IN THE PACKET TUESDAY FOR THURSDAY? OH, WE'RE PUSHING IT BACK TO THE 21ST. 
          WE'RE PUBLISHING IN THE PACKET FOR THE 14TH. 
          14TH. 
          WE'RE GONNA HAVE A BUDGET DISCUSSION. 
          OKAY. 
          THE 14TH. 
          WE'RE STILL GONNA HAVE A BUDGET DISCUSSION AND OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          YES. 
          AND ON TUESDAY, WHICH IS JUST FIVE DAYS FROM NOW, YOU'RE PUBLISHING IN THE PACKET THIS AMAZING DOCUMENT THAT WE CAME UP WITH THAT HAS THE FUND THAT HAS THE EXPENSES AT 
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11 5 19. 
          I'M GONNA KEEP USING THAT NUMBER. 
          AND THEN IT HAS, UH, THE BUDGET BALANCE AT 5 CENTS NEGATIVE 94 AT 4 CENTS RED. 
          THREE, TWO, PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO LOWER THAN TWO. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE IN THE PACKET. 
          YEAH, I PROVIDED THAT BEFORE. 
          AND THE INITIAL DISCUSSION THAT WE HAD WITH YOU ALL AS IT RELATES TO REVENUE. 
          IF YOU CAN REMEMBER WE WENT THROUGH THE CURRENT TAX RATE, WHAT CONSTANT YIELD WAS AND WHAT EACH PENNY EQUATED TO UP UNTIL 6 CENTS. 
          UM, YEAH, WE CAN MOST CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT. 
          WE ALREADY GOT IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          IS EVERYONE HAPPY AND COMFORTABLE WITH THAT BEING PUBLISHED ON TUESDAY? IS THERE ANY CHANCE WE CAN GET A FEE STRUCTURE ESTIMATE BY THEN? NO. 
           NO. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT ON THURSDAY, BUT THAT'S A GREAT TO DO ITEM FOR THE 21ST IS, OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE REVENUE. 
          WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO A LITTLE BIT BETTER ON THE REVENUE SIDE FOR THE FIRST READER WITH THESE LITTLE, THESE, THESE SMALL BOARD TWEAKS TO THE FEE STRUCTURE. 
          AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE OTHER, MAYBE THE INFRACTIONS, BUT YEAH, NO GR THANK YOU DAVID. 
          UM, MAYBE THE HOTEL TAX. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, RIGHT. 
          BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT FOR THURSDAY. 
          FOR FOR TUESDAY WHEN YOU'RE FIVE DAYS FROM NOW. 
          EVERYONE GOOD WITH THIS? I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE GONNA TRY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY, BUT I WANNA SET THE EXPECTATIONS FOR THAT TO BE PRODUCED ON THE 21ST. 
          THE FEE SCHEDULE. 
          YES, MY PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT WE'RE ALL GOOD WHAT WE'RE PUBLISHING NEXT WEEK? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          DIANA. 
          DIANA, ARE YOU CLEAR SHE'S STILL ON AND YOU ARE ALL INVITED TO BRING YOUR EXPENDITURE CUTTING IDEAS WITH YOU NEXT THURSDAY? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO SECOND. 
          IT WAS MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER ECK AND I BELIEVE SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR BREINER. 
          OH. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. 
          SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER FRY. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ANY ABSTENTIONS? THE MOTION PASSES. 
          SIX ZERO. 
          WE'LL SEE YOU IN A WEEK. 
          HI BUDDY.
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